How much was Bozac,s contract with bounus,s out of college ?look at his cap hit.BB overpaid to get him ,then nonis had to overpay to keep him

- top shelf 15

didn't have to keep him, and I'm pretty sure the Leafs weren't the only team going to pay Bozak that money. You keep LOL's going as you are really going backwards.

In recent years, yes. But they still have tickets available for playoff hockey. Last minute sell outs are typical. Just seems strange.
- bloatedmosquito

the (frank)ing rink is deathly quiet...I live close and unfortunately get some freebies. I go there and catch up on my sleep usually!!!!

Sens had a great team when Yashin and company were here, but they had ZERO HEART - and then the Sens nailed the coffin on their future keeping REDDEN OVER CHARA wow talk about dropping the ball. Makes Burke look like GOD.

- Garnie

Sadly there was no choice to be made when Muckler signed and traded away chara,s BF hossa before the ink was dry on his contract to atlanta.He was never going to resign here and that why BM took over as GM\

Sadly there was no choice to be made when Muckler signed and traded away chara,s BF hossa before the ink was dry on his contract to atlanta.He was never going to resign here and that why BM took over as GM\
- top shelf 15

They had a choice and it was either Redden or Chara and they chose Redden and let Chara walk...terrible....put the team back 10 years.

didn't have to keep him, and I'm pretty sure the Leafs weren't the only team going to pay Bozak that money. You keep LOL's going as you are really going backwards.
- Garnie

A 3,7 mil dollar cap hit right out of college ,come on man nobody in there right mind would have offered that for an unproven player .But BB did .

They had a choice and it was either Redden or Chara and they chose Redden and let Chara walk...terrible....put the team back 10 years.
- Garnie

No they didnt ,we had 12 mil in cap to sign them both .EM flew Chara out to the barabdos and then a week after we signed redden and chara went to boston

A 3,7 mil dollar cap hit right out of college ,come on man nobody in there right mind would have offered that for an unproven player .But BB did .

- top shelf 15

yes, I forgot you were there when all the other teams were courting him.

thanks for the reminder and the Sens let Chara walk FOR NOTHING!!!

BURKE = GOD compared to SENS LETTING CHARA walk

I'm outta here...i'd love to stay and converse about the Sens and there mishaps...but I can't

No they didnt ,we had 12 mil in cap to sign them both .EM flew Chara out to the barabdos and then a week after we signed redden and chara went to boston
- top shelf 15

sorry..1 more thing for you to chew on

The Senators wanted to keep both but knew it would be tricky under the confines of the league salary cap. We all know how it played out. Muckler signed Wade Redden. Zdeno Chara ended up with a division rival in Boston. Chara has since won a Stanley Cup and is a perennial Norris Candidate. Wade Redden is buried in the AHL after signing a ridiculous deal with the New York Rangers.

So I was thinking about my point that the Leafs don't have much for prospects.

Here's Burke's drafting history.
5 years in Van - Sedins and Kessler
2 years with Anaheim - Bobby Ryan and Smid
Toronto - Schenn and Kadri.

That's it!

Go look through these teams drafting history. The Sedins were 2nd and 3rd overall, so outside the good trade he made... pretty much can't miss selections.
Bobby Ryan was 2nd overall, so again, can't miss.
Kadri was a good pick.
Schenn.. well whatever.

He has no good late first rounders, 2nd rounders or even late round steals. The guy drafted in the NHL for over a decade and outside his top 10 picks, he's had TWO players become everyday NHL players. That is brutal.

You can say all you want that it's more on the scouts than it is on the GM, but at the end of the day, he's the boss of the scouts. It also happened in 3 different cities so to blame the scouts is a bit rich.

I hope to god that Calgary isn't banking on him on draft day.
- Charliebox

Just keep it up with Feaster so they can get some more high schoolers to help out the "Janitor" hahaha

Meh overrated gm ,burns though cap space and assets on overated players ,so so drafter ,decent trader .Calgary,s ownership group would be wise to curtail what he spends
- top shelf 15

No truths in here.

How much was Bozac,s contract with bounus,s out of college ?look at his cap hit.BB overpaid to get him ,then nonis had to overpay to keep him

- top shelf 15

you have no clue.

Bozak contract out of College 800K + bonuses (2 years)

Next contract Avg 1.5Mil (2 years)

Just signed 4.25mil

You're out to lunch.

A 3,7 mil dollar cap hit right out of college ,come on man nobody in there right mind would have offered that for an unproven player .But BB did .

- top shelf 15

800K base salary. If he hits the bonuses then he earned them. There was no overpayment.

I honestly have no clue how people can look at how Burke's teams in Van, Ana and TO did during/after his tenures, along with his 2010 US Olympic team, and say he's a terrible GM. He's a polarizing figure, he's brash, he hits home runs and strikes out, but as a Leafs fan I have no complaints overall and it won't surprise me when Calgary has made significant steps forward over the next couple of years.

I think it speaks volumes that a lot of the anti-Burke posts on this thread contain mistaken information that has been ripped apart so badly that it's been almost hard to watch.

I honestly have no clue how people can look at how Burke's teams in Van, Ana and TO did during/after his tenures, along with his 2010 US Olympic team, and say he's a terrible GM. He's a polarizing figure, he's brash, he hits home runs and strikes out, but as a Leafs fan I have no complaints overall and it won't surprise me when Calgary has made significant steps forward over the next couple of years.

I think it speaks volumes that a lot of the anti-Burke posts on this thread contain mistaken information that has been ripped apart so badly that it's been almost hard to watch.
- Zezel

This. Well said.

I honestly have no clue how people can look at how Burke's teams in Van, Ana and TO did during/after his tenures, along with his 2010 US Olympic team, and say he's a terrible GM. He's a polarizing figure, he's brash, he hits home runs and strikes out, but as a Leafs fan I have no complaints overall and it won't surprise me when Calgary has made significant steps forward over the next couple of years.

I think it speaks volumes that a lot of the anti-Burke posts on this thread contain mistaken information that has been ripped apart so badly that it's been almost hard to watch.
- Zezel

Agreed.

Better? Debateable. Louder? Totally.

Brian Burke is the most overrated hockey man in the NHL.

He did well to get the twins in Van but never realized that you need a goalie to win a cup.

He was handed a Stanley cup winner in Anaheim. Sure he added Neidermayer (but he wanted to go there anyways and play with his bro - a monkey could have made that signing) and Pronger, but other than that, the Ducks were Bryan Murray's team.

He set the Leafs back by at least 2-3 years. Sure, the Leafs finally made the playoffs last season and he was the one who built that team. With that said, any average GM could have eventually done that with the money and high draft picks the Leafs have had over the past decade.

I'm not saying he is going to hurt in Calgary (and to be honest, if there's one guy he's better than, it's probably Feaster), but I wouldn't be getting too excited if I'm a flames fan. Now instead of having just the worst GM in the league, you have the worst GM in the league with the most overrated hockey guy sitting beside him.
- Charliebox

He over turned half the roster in Anaheim, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your hockey intelligence.

He over turned half the roster in Anaheim, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your hockey intelligence.
- Domidives

no kidding, handed a team? lol yeah right Pronger had nothing to do with them winning I suppose

no kidding, handed a team? lol yeah right Pronger had nothing to do with them winning I suppose
- flashfire

it's 'Ponger'

I set the over/under at 1.5 seasons before Burke completely takes over hockey ops from Feaster.

I'm ambivalent about Burke as a hockey executive - certainly I have a bit more confidence in him than Feaster but I'm not sure by how much. My reaction is very lukewarm.

I honestly have no clue how people can look at how Burke's teams in Van, Ana and TO did during/after his tenures, along with his 2010 US Olympic team, and say he's a terrible GM. He's a polarizing figure, he's brash, he hits home runs and strikes out, but as a Leafs fan I have no complaints overall and it won't surprise me when Calgary has made significant steps forward over the next couple of years.

I think it speaks volumes that a lot of the anti-Burke posts on this thread contain mistaken information that has been ripped apart so badly that it's been almost hard to watch.
- Zezel

With Vancouver, while his fatal flaw was never finding a goalie, he did set up a great core (including the Sedins - he doesn't get near enough credit for trading up in the draft to get both of them, especially when you consider how awful the draft was after that.) He proved his worth by subtraction when Nonis took over and, aside from Luongo, advanced the team nowhere (I think this pattern is about to repeat itself in Toronto). In Anaheim, it's true that a good deal of the team was already there when he arrived but he deserves full credit for making the moves which solidified them as a Cup team - signing Niedermayer and trading for Pronger. He didn't leave the team in a mess either.

Toronto, obviously it's a more complex legacy and one that is still evolving (since it's still mostly his team - and like I said before, I think Nonis is going to make people miss Burke if they don't already). The Kessel trade has been beaten into the ground and I hate to talk about it. It was certainly a bad gamble and one I don't want to see him repeat here, but interestingly, history may have vindicated him now. He also made several superb trades and I don't think his drafting was bad either. He got fired because he never made the playoffs (which may have been fair) and because he didn't get along with the new Board (probably unfair).

I don't think he's a bad GM, maybe an above-average one. Obviously, the biggest fear is that he'll make the same mistake he did in Toronto at the start, and overestimate the length of time a rebuild will take (one of his comments today said he wanted to "speed it up", which is somewhat alarming).

With Vancouver, while his fatal flaw was never finding a goalie, he did set up a great core (including the Sedins - he doesn't get near enough credit for trading up in the draft to get both of them, especially when you consider how awful the draft was after that.) He proved his worth by subtraction when Nonis took over and, aside from Luongo, advanced the team nowhere (I think this pattern is about to repeat itself in Toronto). In Anaheim, it's true that a good deal of the team was already there when he arrived but he deserves full credit for making the moves which solidified them as a Cup team - signing Niedermayer and trading for Pronger. He didn't leave the team in a mess either.

Toronto, obviously it's a more complex legacy and one that is still evolving (since it's still mostly his team - and like I said before, I think Nonis is going to make people miss Burke if they don't already). The Kessel trade has been beaten into the ground and I hate to talk about it. It was certainly a bad gamble and one I don't want to see him repeat here, but interestingly, history may have vindicated him now. He also made several superb trades and I don't think his drafting was bad either. He got fired because he never made the playoffs (which may have been fair) and because he didn't get along with the new Board (probably unfair).

I don't think he's a bad GM, maybe an above-average one. Obviously, the biggest fear is that he'll make the same mistake he did in Toronto at the start, and overestimate the length of time a rebuild will take (one of his comments today said he wanted to "speed it up", which is somewhat alarming).
- S Kaspar Rollins

A very fair assessment. You're bang on with regards to Burke and his weakness in solidifying his goaltending. He got lucky with Reimer who was a JFJ pick. The fact that Calgary doesn't already have an undisputed #1 should be worrisome to you.

He has his weaknesses...personally I wouldn't let him near a contract negotiation. But he can trade like no one else. And he'll build a great organization...which appears to be necessary.

Regarding his rebuilding timelines, he just seems to think no one has an appetite for a lengthy one. He may be right...The Oilers have certainly proven that being patient is over-rated.

A very fair assessment. You're bang on with regards to Burke and his weakness in solidifying his goaltending. He got lucky with Reimer who was a JFJ pick. The fact that Calgary doesn't already have an undisputed #1 should be worrisome to you.

He has his weaknesses...personally I wouldn't let him near a contract negotiation. But he can trade like no one else. And he'll build a great organization...which appears to be necessary.

Regarding his rebuilding timelines, he just seems to think no one has an appetite for a lengthy one. He may be right...The Oilers have certainly proven that being patient is over-rated.
- djamon

Luckily for Calgary, goaltending is the least of their concerns right now (hell, in the short term, a good goalie might actually be harmful if it (frank)s up their draft spot). It's probably going to take several years to truly replace Kipper (unless Ramo is way better than I think he is) but they actually have several decent goaltending prospects. Though, like all goalies prospects, all of them are probably several years away.

The rebuilding timeline thing is likely Murray Edwards' call as much as it is Burke's (for all I know, Burke's philosophy in this area is part of why he was hired.) People shouldn't forget that regardless of how much influence Burke has over Feaster, he's not going to have the same autonomy as in Toronto. Edwards is a very active owner - I strongly blame him, not Feaster, for Calgary waiting two years too long to blow it up.

It was certainly a bad gamble and one I don't want to see him repeat here, but interestingly, history may have vindicated him now. He also made several superb trades and I don't think his drafting was bad either. He got fired because he never made the playoffs (which may have been fair) and because he didn't get along with .
- S Kaspar Rollins

not even close.... he got fired for alleged indiscretions with a female broadcaster and his ego/arrogance was a little more than the new regime could handle... probably more of the latter than the former, but the former was the bullet.

Luckily for Calgary, goaltending is the least of their concerns right now (hell, in the short term, a good goalie might actually be harmful if it (frank)s up their draft spot). It's probably going to take several years to truly replace Kipper (unless Ramo is way better than I think he is) but they actually have several decent goaltending prospects. Though, like all goalies prospects, all of them are probably several years away.

The rebuilding timeline thing is likely Murray Edwards' call as much as it is Burke's (for all I know, Burke's philosophy in this area is part of why he was hired.) People shouldn't forget that regardless of how much influence Burke has over Feaster, he's not going to have the same autonomy as in Toronto. Edwards is a very active owner - I strongly blame him, not Feaster, for Calgary waiting two years too long to blow it up.
- S Kaspar Rollins

there is a goalie in toronto that'll soon be available... lets just hope stajan is not the return.