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NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 2 @ 4:30 PM ET
I agree he should be a lot better and fresher with a smaller work load. I also wasn't trying to assume he would lose more it was more of if he isn't better then Corey but gets more starts the risk is there to lose more games because you are playing the worse player more then the better one. I love Marty but he isn't the same player he was 4-5 years ago and the thing I have will every old player not just him is you have to see him play after the off season. No one can predict how any one player will do as they age or if it will be a consistant drop in play or if you go from being a capable goalie then the next year just not have it. Elias even could be a 50 pt player this season we wont know till we see them hit the ice. Just because someone hasn't shown any signs of a drastic slow down doesn't mean it cant happen at an advanced age. There is likely a good chance the both of them are very reliable this season but there is no way to predict it. This is a totally different sport so I expect arguments here but Chuck Liddel showed very little signs of slowing down at his advanced age and then all of a sudden he just didn't have it anymore. I also think I should add that I respect your posts and get along great with you on here and completly see this as nothing more then 2 different opinions I have no hard feelings against you for your thoughts and your reasonings
- blizzzard

No hard feelings ever its the internets!
I understand what your saying. Best guy should play period for all positions. There is a weird obsession with some vets on this team like zid.
For Sure this could be the year Marty completely loses it. But i won't even think that until it happens remember who we are talking about here it wasn't that long ago he helped us make the finals. For the record i don't want them to split time 50/50 i just see it as the most likely scenario and if Cory gets more its around 5-10 anymore and it's probably cause Marty went down with an injury. All i was really saying is too remember Schneider has never had more then 33 starts in a year and still has a lot to learn. Throwing him in almost every game wouldn't hurt his development but it could hurt our chances if we make the playoffs and he's tired.
Boinker
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 10.24.2010

Sep 2 @ 6:10 PM ET
How is luongo holding up
- dmarsden2988


I'm not sure. He's being a baby. He's a drama queen. I want Lack to supplant him this year which would be hilarious. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
MrToast
New Jersey Devils
Location: Space, YT
Joined: 06.27.2012

Sep 2 @ 7:04 PM ET
I'm not sure. He's being a baby. He's a drama queen. I want Lack to supplant him this year which would be hilarious. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
- Boinker

LACKNESS MONSTER
AkA
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 10.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 8:28 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...evils-mask/schneidermask/
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Sep 2 @ 8:59 PM ET
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/02/check-out-schneiders-new-devils-mask/schneidermask/
- AkA


Not quite as interesting as Moose, but not bad
AkA
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 10.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 9:44 PM ET
Not quite as interesting as Moose, but not bad
- bobert836


mike dunham still had best one ever.

http://img.photobucket.co...ersey%20Masks/dunham2.jpg
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 2 @ 9:49 PM ET
mike dunham still had best one ever.

http://img.photobucket.co...ersey%20Masks/dunham2.jpg

- AkA



I always enjoyed clemmers mask when he was here.
AkA
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 10.01.2008

Sep 2 @ 9:54 PM ET
I always enjoyed clemmers mask when he was here.
- NickA


all better than terreri's.
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Sep 2 @ 9:56 PM ET
I always enjoyed clemmers mask when he was here.
- NickA


He also had sick pads. Never got why more people didn't use black and red
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 3 @ 7:51 AM ET
He also had sick pads. Never got why more people didn't use black and red
- bobert836



Yeah his pads where awesome. No white at all. Not sure why we don't see more people use black.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Sep 3 @ 7:56 AM ET
White pads all day
matty_ice_30
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.25.2013

Sep 3 @ 7:59 AM ET
Your fan base obviously doesn't care about winning.
- Boinker


I guess your fan base doesnt care either since you have never won a cup! Go burn down the rest of the city when they lose in the playoffs again
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Sep 3 @ 8:02 AM ET
I guess your fan base doesnt care either since you have never won a cup! Go burn down the rest of the city when they lose in the playoffs again
- matty_ice_30

wow too soon bro
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 3 @ 8:04 AM ET
White pads all day
- shvingter88




No creativity!
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Sep 3 @ 8:11 AM ET
No creativity!
- NickA

I think black pads are way more boring.

It's going with the black jersey theme that every team has a boner for, it's just boring to me.
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Sep 3 @ 8:21 AM ET
This is just a bias statement. Your comparing the stats of a backup goalie and a starting goalie. Schneider has either backed up or split time with Luongo each of tthe past three seasons. Of course your going to have better stats if you play way less games than another goalies. Its common sense for a goalie in the sport of hockey.

You also don't just kick the best player at his position to ever play the game to the curb.

- mike12cambria


That is flatly false and is not supported by either by observation or statistical evidence.

In small sample sizes, sure, you can put up way better numbers (or way worse numbers) than your talent would really justify; that's how a guy like Craig Anderson can put up a .941 in 24 games (he's good, but no way is he really that good) or a guy like Moose can put up an .883 in 19 games (he's bad, but no way is he really that bad).

That's not because it's easier of harder to play fewer games, it's because it takes a while for random swings of good and bad fortune to smooth over. That's why I used 3-year samples instead of just the most recent abridged season -- to give Schneider a decent amount of games played (88) for us to be reasonably sure his talent is genuine.

In order for us to argue that Brodeur's numbers are as good as Schneider's over the last 3 years, we would have to argue that Brodeur's job (from some combination of shot quality and fatigue) was 38.3% more difficult than Schneider's over that timespan. There is no way the difference between Vancouver's and New Jersey's defenses, plus any apparent effect from fatigue for Brodeur, is even close to that wide.

You accuse me of bias, but I say that anyone who argues that Martin Brodeur is still a good NHL starter in 2013, let alone better than Schneider, has to be in complete denial of all the evidence. The numbers are irrefutable. You can give Brodeur some benefit of doubt for his puckhandling or for his workload, but in no way is it enough to make up for his statistical mediocrity. In order to argue Brodeur is still good you basically have to say stats don't matter at all, or at least they don't matter in regard to Brodeur, and the only way to judge a goalie is by your eyes or by Stanley Cups or by wins or by some other entirely subjective or team-based metric. I don't subscribe to this philosophy.

Now, if it's more important to let Marty ride off into the sunset with his ego undamaged than to make the playoffs, sure, split the starts. But if the Devils want to win games, they ought to ride Schneider. In my opinion New Jersey would have been a playoff team last year if they hadn't been torpedoed by rotten goaltending.
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