When I see star players getting beaten up and he is standing there and skates away because he is afraid in a playoff game ,then he is dead to me.

Useless.
- VANTEL

Bieksa wasnt lining up to fight Lucic either here man

When the Sedins were feeding him .Did you guys trade for the Sedins?
- VANTEL

Defensively Ehrhoff is very solid. He has also still managed decent point totals while on the sabres (32 pts in 66 games and 22 pts in 47 games, that's almost .5 pts a game for a dman, which is pretty good). I understand that on most good teams he'd be a number 3 dman, but he is effective for the sabres. Also Yost wrote an interesting article about how he makes everyone on the ice better. Especially at $4 mill per year with a declining cap hit as he ages, he is an efficent dman with a good contract. Nothing to complain or diss about.

I know that. I am a Canuck fan that is screaming for changes. I don't think Canucks are elite as some say. They are ranked between 12 - 16 in my opinion.
- VANTEL

All depends. Coaching was an issue, not sure if Torts was the right choice, but a change was needed. If guys like Kassian turn out, which I personally think is still possible then the top 6 is still pretty damn good

Bieksa wasnt lining up to fight Lucic either here man
- blizzzard

Maybe we should ask Miller what he thinks about teammates standing up to Lucic when they should be defending the star players.

Garrison really?
- sbroads24

+9 in 190 games for the panthers

for the freaking panthers

Bieksa wasnt lining up to fight Lucic either here man
- blizzzard

oh my

Defensively Ehrhoff is very solid. He has also still managed decent point totals while on the sabres (32 pts in 66 games and 22 pts in 47 games, that's almost .5 pts a game for a dman, which is pretty good). I understand that on most good teams he'd be a number 3 dman, but he is effective for the sabres. Also Yost wrote an interesting article about how he makes everyone on the ice better. Especially at $4 mill per year with a declining cap hit as he ages, he is an efficent dman with a good contract. Nothing to complain or diss about.
- bsabres716

I do not think he was or is the problem

I also do not think he is the solution to the pp problems

+9 in 190 games for the panthers

for the freaking panthers
- homiedclown

Hoff was a +6 on this pathetic team.
Garrison,Hoff, And Bieksa IMO are all pretty close, difference IMO is Hoff has become a minute eater

Maybe we should ask Miller what he thinks about teammates standing up to Lucic when they should be defending the star players.
- VANTEL

lol I just thought I would point out there are many guy who are still on the Canucks current roster didnt stick up for themselves let alone someone else

oh my
- homiedclown

It's all in good fun

I do not think he was or is the problem

I also do not think he is the solution to the pp problems
- homiedclown

Agreed. Very hard to watch him on the PP sometimes

All depends. Coaching was an issue, not sure if Torts was the right choice, but a change was needed. If guys like Kassian turn out, which I personally think is still possible then the top 6 is still pretty damn good
- sbroads24

I think Torts will light a match for a year maybe two, but he still has the same personnel to work with. I don't see Sedins sliding to block shots. I still see them doing their cycle game.

Kesler will play the same and so will Burrows ,so what amzing changes Torts will bring will be interesting to see.

I do not think he was or is the problem

I also do not think he is the solution to the pp problems
- homiedclown

I think he should be on the PP but not as the point shooter. He should be the set up guy and be the guy who falls back and actually plays defense if someone makes a bad pass and the penalty killers get a chance going the other way.

Agreed. Very hard to watch him on the PP sometimes
- sbroads24

zhitnik part II

I think he should be on the PP but not as the point shooter. He should be the set up guy and be the guy who falls back and actually plays defense if someone makes a bad pass and the penalty killers get a chance going the other way.
- bsabres716

bingo

It's all in good fun
- blizzzard

garth's corner

I tried posting a comment with a link to a Yost article and it made the entire comment box blank when I posted it. Anyone know what's up with that?

Hoff was a +6 on this pathetic team.
Garrison,Hoff, And Bieksa IMO are all pretty close, difference IMO is Hoff has become a minute eater
- sbroads24

agreed the gap between the best and worst of those 4 d men is minimal

lol I just thought I would point out there are many guy who are still on the Canucks current roster didnt stick up for themselves let alone someone else
- blizzzard

I agree . Speed skill and toughness win playoffs. We need to improve on speed and toughness.

I think Torts will light a match for a year maybe two, but he still has the same personnel to work with. I don't see Sedins sliding to block shots. I still see them doing their cycle game.

Kesler will play the same and so will Burrows ,so what amzing changes Torts will bring will be interesting to see.
- VANTEL

I wish we had Kesler. By far my favorite on Vancouver.

I tried posting a comment with a link to a Yost article and it made the entire comment box blank when I posted it. Anyone know what's up with that?
- bsabres716

probably due to the hacking of yost and hockeybuzz

I wish we had Kesler. By far my favorite on Vancouver.
- sbroads24

miller, ennis, and staff for the twins and luongo

I agree . Speed skill and toughness win playoffs. We need to improve on speed and toughness.
- VANTEL

Toughness is a key because you can't do what Toronto did and just get goons and think you have added toughness you need a guy like Kassian which you have someone who can be out there regularly

When I see star players getting beaten up and he is standing there and skates away because he is afraid in a playoff game ,then he is dead to me.

Useless.
- VANTEL

Doesn't that cover the whole Nucks roster then, more or less?

Toughness is a key because you can't do what Toronto did and just get goons and think you have added toughness you need a guy like Kassian which you have someone who can be out there regularly
- blizzzard

Toronto was 4 minutes away from making a deep run . I like their new look.

Kassian has showed some brilliance. When he wants to play he controls the flow. His problem is consistency