Their D isn't great but its not bad. Plus their forwards are much better in the puck possession statistic. Varlamov could get sent back here if we throw in a D prospect like McNabb or even Pysk (I know im in the minority here but I'm not sold on him)
- Stripes77

I think he still has room to grow and that would make sense then if he also came back and you guys could roll with a Enroth/Varlamov combo. But then what do you do about Hodgeson ? Yea sorry Cody you will have to take less money then your wanted number 1 center dollars because you are no longer number 1 center by default I dont think getting a #1 center would impress Cody or his parents much at all the trade would make your offense look miles better though and I would have to assume they wouldnt make that trade then move Vanek

you can have staff.. but i don't know if we want varly either, unless we want to keep hacket in the AHL for one more year
- SabresFaninIndiana

A Stastny/Varly for Miller/Stafford trade isnt too bad on paper, seems pretty fair. I would be ok with all this, money balances out somewhat as well

sick as in you ate uncooked chicken or you worked as an asbestos installer for 20 years without proper PPE
- SabresFaninIndiana

Sick as in I ate uncooked chicken then ate what I threw up just to make sure it was the chicken that got me sick

I think he still has room to grow and that would make sense then if he also came back and you guys could roll with a Enroth/Varlamov combo. But then what do you do about Hodgeson ? Yea sorry Cody you will have to take less money then your wanted number 1 center dollars because you are no longer number 1 center by default I dont think getting a #1 center would impress Cody or his parents much at all the trade would make your offense look miles better though and I would have to assume they wouldnt make that trade then move Vanek
- blizzzard

who is the #1 center though even if you get Stastny?

and Cody needs to get over labels, suck it up and prove that he deserves the money

I think he still has room to grow and that would make sense then if he also came back and you guys could roll with a Enroth/Varlamov combo. But then what do you do about Hodgeson ? Yea sorry Cody you will have to take less money then your wanted number 1 center dollars because you are no longer number 1 center by default I dont think getting a #1 center would impress Cody or his parents much at all the trade would make your offense look miles better though and I would have to assume they wouldnt make that trade then move Vanek
- blizzzard

I am so sick of the Hodgson situation. He thinks he gets number one center money by playing with Vanek for one lockout shortend season?

I could see us making the move for Statsny and still trading Vanek at the deadline. We could still move Statsny at the deadline as well as he would get more than Miller at the deadline anyway. Moving Vanek for a first and a prospect and move Statsny for a first. It works out either way in my eyes. Sign Vanek long term you have to try to keep Statsny here assuming they are playing together. If Vanek still doesn't sign move them both. Its a rebuild get as many picks as possible and try to get in the top 3 in the draft

who is the #1 center though even if you get Stastny?

and Cody needs to get over labels, suck it up and prove that he deserves the money
- SabresFaninIndiana

If we get him Statsny is the number one with Vanek and Stafford. Then Cody centers Ennis and Armia or Foligno. Grigorenko centers Ott and Leino

who is the #1 center though even if you get Stastny?

and Cody needs to get over labels, suck it up and prove that he deserves the money
- SabresFaninIndiana

You dont think Stastny would become the #1 center ? I mean I dont think he is the best number 1 but I think he cant still be a number 1 center If I where you guys I would try and grab another decent winger and keep Hodge, Grigo and Gerginson as the centers or keep ice time open for them. I was also just saying in the Devils blog about Boedker being an RFA but the Devils arent a good trade partner for the yotes as we both only really have d prospects but the Sabres have the Pieces to pull a trade for him.

I am so sick of the Hodgson situation. He thinks he gets number one center money by playing with Vanek for one lockout shortend season?

I could see us making the move for Statsny and still trading Vanek at the deadline. We could still move Statsny at the deadline as well as he would get more than Miller at the deadline anyway. Moving Vanek for a first and a prospect and move Statsny for a first. It works out either way in my eyes. Sign Vanek long term you have to try to keep Statsny here assuming they are playing together. If Vanek still doesn't sign move them both. Its a rebuild get as many picks as possible and try to get in the top 3 in the draft
- Stripes77

especially since you guys have so much cap space as well, you can easily retain most of the Stastny's and Vaneks remaing cap hits at the deadline to make them even more tradable. THose players for half the cost to play on a contenders second line, the prospect and 1st round flood gates would open.

especially since you guys have so much cap space as well, you can easily retain most of the Stastny's and Vaneks remaing cap hits at the deadline to make them even more tradable. THose players for half the cost to play on a contenders second line, the prospect and 1st round flood gates would open.
- DDM-Coga

That's why I'm not opposed to getting Statsny. If teams get into a bidding war for Vanek which any contending team would most likely the price for him could get sky high. Then the teams that miss out on him would start competing for Statsny. Its a GM's dream. Vanek could get a first a roster player and a high end prospect. Statsny could fetch a first and a decent prospect.

If the Sabres are moving them chances are our record is terrible so we have a most likely top 10 pick coming our way. Use those two extra firsts and move into the top 3. If you are rebuilding commit to the actual rebuild

That's why I'm not opposed to getting Statsny. If teams get into a bidding war for Vanek which any contending team would most likely the price for him could get sky high. Then the teams that miss out on him would start competing for Statsny. Its a GM's dream. Vanek could get a first a roster player and a high end prospect. Statsny could fetch a first and a decent prospect.

If the Sabres are moving them chances are our record is terrible so we have a most likely top 10 pick coming our way. Use those two extra firsts and move into the top 3. If you are rebuilding commit to the actual rebuild
- Stripes77

The only problem is you start trading to many players for multiple assests then you have way to many contracts and not enough guys ready to play in the NHL you run out of places to put all these kids and it could hurt their developement

You dont think Stastny would become the #1 center ? I mean I dont think he is the best number 1 but I think he cant still be a number 1 center If I where you guys I would try and grab another decent winger and keep Hodge, Grigo and Gerginson as the centers or keep ice time open for them. I was also just saying in the Devils blog about Boedker being an RFA but the Devils arent a good trade partner for the yotes as we both only really have d prospects but the Sabres have the Pieces to pull a trade for him.
- blizzzard

oh i think he would be the better player to put at #1 center... i just dont know how they would do it. Because if we get him we know he is leaving at the end of the season or at the deadline. it would be a tricky situation because both Paul and cody are kind of prissy about that would could get mad and both walk out because they are not #1 on this crappy team.. but the addition of him if he plays makes us a contender for a bottom playoff spot with decent goaltending

That's why I'm not opposed to getting Statsny. If teams get into a bidding war for Vanek which any contending team would most likely the price for him could get sky high. Then the teams that miss out on him would start competing for Statsny. Its a GM's dream. Vanek could get a first a roster player and a high end prospect. Statsny could fetch a first and a decent prospect.

If the Sabres are moving them chances are our record is terrible so we have a most likely top 10 pick coming our way. Use those two extra firsts and move into the top 3. If you are rebuilding commit to the actual rebuild
- Stripes77

problem being we will be decent enough with them to still be in the playoff hunt at deadline time

The only problem is you start trading to many players for multiple assests then you have way to many contracts and not enough guys ready to play in the NHL you run out of places to put all these kids and it could hurt their developement
- blizzzard

At the deadline im thinking Armia and Girgenson are ready to play up here. The season is lost if we are moving Vanek and Statsny. Bring the kids up let them get NHL experience. Then see where you are after the season. The pending UFA crop is pretty big and there are some big names. Sure you will have to overpay but the cap will go up and the Sabres will have a ton of cap space. Make a push for an older Vet like Thorton and try to get a younger big name. Thorton for the leadership (plus he still has some game)

It all depends on the development of Grigorenko. If he develops nicely it could work out very well. Even after moving Vanek and theoretically Statsny

problem being we will be decent enough with them to still be in the playoff hunt at deadline time
- SabresFaninIndiana

Maybe maybe not. If we are sitting at 10 move them and we will fall. If we are sitting in the 6-8 range then try to resign them. Remember we don't have Miller if we have Statsny. So that's a huge wild card, not to mention Myers needs to bounce back and bounce back big

At the deadline im thinking Armia and Girgenson are ready to play up here. The season is lost if we are moving Vanek and Statsny. Bring the kids up let them get NHL experience. Then see where you are after the season. The pending UFA crop is pretty big and there are some big names. Sure you will have to overpay but the cap will go up and the Sabres will have a ton of cap space. Make a push for an older Vet like Thorton and try to get a younger big name. Thorton for the leadership (plus he still has some game)

It all depends on the development of Grigorenko. If he develops nicely it could work out very well. Even after moving Vanek and theoretically Statsny
- Stripes77

I get that but I was saying when you keep trading guys for a pick and a player or 2 picks and a player that is 2 players coming back your way or three in some cases and only 1 leaving meaning you will have more players each time you make a move like that and you guys already made a few moves like that this past season

If we get him Statsny is the number one with Vanek and Stafford. Then Cody centers Ennis and Armia or Foligno. Grigorenko centers Ott and Leino
- Stripes77

I like this a lot.

It would give us the ability to move Ennis as well.

I get that but I was saying when you keep trading guys for a pick and a player or 2 picks and a player that is 2 players coming back your way or three in some cases and only 1 leaving meaning you will have more players each time you make a move like that and you guys already made a few moves like that this past season
- blizzzard

I don't get what you are saying here. Moving a player for picks is fine here. Roster space wise. We have players that can be here to fill those spots moved. The players we moved last year we replaced at the draft. We have plenty of D to fill those spots and we have 3 players off the top of my head that can fill the space here. Girgensons Tropp Armia. Not to mention Girgorenko is here full time. Also not to mention the players fighting for roster spots now (Flynn, Adam, Ellis, McCormick, Larssons, Porter)

The Sabres have a boat load of forwards and D to fill out a roster. Its getting talented players that is our issue

I like this a lot.

It would give us the ability to move Ennis as well.
- ImThatGuy

There are a lot of options here. For once I would like to see a roster with a lineup that stays the same for more than 5 games. Give me a lineup that the only changes besides injuries are taking someone off the 4th line to dress Scott when we play Boston.

I don't get what you are saying here. Moving a player for picks is fine here. Roster space wise. We have players that can be here to fill those spots moved. The players we moved last year we replaced at the draft. We have plenty of D to fill those spots and we have 3 players off the top of my head that can fill the space here. Girgensons Tropp Armia. Not to mention Girgorenko is here full time. Also not to mention the players fighting for roster spots now (Flynn, Adam, Ellis, McCormick, Larssons, Porter)

The Sabres have a boat load of forwards and D to fill out a roster. Its getting talented players that is our issue
- Stripes77

I am just saying that you are only allowed so many contracts like 50 or something (and I am not sure how many you guys have now) but when you trade one assest for multiple assests you run out of places to put these assests for all I know you guys could have plenty of contract room left but All I am saying is draft pick prospect or player they still will count against your contracts once signed and the quality of picks you will be looking for in these trades I imagine you will want to sign them to contracts. I am not sure if that makes any sense but hopefully you get what I am trying to say

I am just saying that you are only allowed so many contracts like 50 or something (and I am not sure how many you guys have now) but when you trade one assest for multiple assests you run out of places to put these assests for all I know you guys could have plenty of contract room left but All I am saying is draft pick prospect or player they still will count against your contracts once signed and the quality of picks you will be looking for in these trades I imagine you will want to sign them to contracts. I am not sure if that makes any sense but hopefully you get what I am trying to say
- blizzzard

You move a roster player he comes off your books. Draft picks don't count against your roster space. They only count when they are signed players. Which most likely would be a couple years away. We have the room.

You move a roster player he comes off your books. Draft picks don't count against your roster space. They only count when they are signed players. Which most likely would be a couple years away. We have the room.
- Stripes77

Ok that was all I was pointing out that at some point you do got to be careful on how many assests are coming back your way. Also just so I am clear on this, what do you mean by the draft pics wont count for a few years ? do you not usually sign their contracts within the first year ? I realise draft picks do go unsigned but isnt it common practice to sign them shortly after drafting them ? and if so they would count as soon as they are signed or do entry level deals not count ?

Ok that was all I was pointing out that at some point you do got to be careful on how many assests are coming back your way. Also just so I am clear on this, what do you mean by the draft pics wont count for a few years ? do you not usually sign their contracts within the first year ? I realise draft picks do go unsigned but isnt it common practice to sign them shortly after drafting them ? and if so they would count as soon as they are signed or do entry level deals not count ?
- blizzzard

Entry level deals don't count until the are here. If they are still in Juniors it doesn't count. Back in the day most draft picks even first rounders didn't sign until they were coming out of juniors. Now players get signed early but they don't count until they are in uniform of the professional kind

Entry level deals don't count until the are here. If they are still in Juniors it doesn't count. Back in the day most draft picks even first rounders didn't sign until they were coming out of juniors. Now players get signed early but they don't count until they are in uniform of the professional kind
- Stripes77

Ok thanks for clearing that up for me

Ok thanks for clearing that up for me
- blizzzard

No problem.

http://www.extraskater.co...pos=F&page=1&sort=tottm_d


Also Stastny for Miller only if an extension is agreed upon (I'm guessing Colorado would want the same).