Hence the reason I said, 'depends on the type of player' Bailey would be more suitable for a PA type role with JT. Okposo has an identity crisis that hopefully was cured last season though I have no desire to see him on the top line. I'll give you an example though. let's say we had Sean Coutier in our system. I'd be willing to bet, standing on the doorstep like Moulson, he's good for close to the same production. There is very little skillset required for Moulson's role other than keep your eyes on the goalie and whack anything that comes near you. When a guy like Tavares is on your line, those opportunities come much more often than other lines. I don't think 30 is a terribly lofty height when playing with a guy like JT.

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- keaner17

So if it takes very little skill to do what Moulson does and nobody else so far has been able to do what he has then I guess those guys like Bailey & Okposo have no skill at all because you just said it takes no skill to do what moulson does and yet neither one could stay on the 1st line for more then a couple of weeks. Saying it takes no skill to score 30 goals in the NHL is comical regardless of how they are scored. I'm sure its pretty easy to just sit in front of the net and get slashed and cross checked and whatever else goes on and still score.

Not disputing that.
- Cptmjl

You stated he only scored 2 goals in his last 25. He scored 5 or 6 in that frame. Just sayin.

You mean if he is producing a point a game on the top line like he was last year, I would probably hold onto him unless you had somebody to replace him. But why would a team give up a 1st rd pick for such a terrible one dimensional player?
- Vukota

I knew you'd do that you fack . If Clowe could get what he got and Clarkson could get what he did then as you put it a 30 goal scorer certainly could. Does it make it right? About as right as the contracts i mentioned earlier. I did already state this a half a dozen times.

If nothing else I plan to drag this out since we've finally found something that Cpt and Mick don't agree on!

keaner17

You stated he only scored 2 goals in his last 25. He scored 5 or 6 in that frame. Just sayin.
- David_Volek

I'm sorry maybe it was his last 20 games? The point still remains

If nothing else I plan to drag this out since we've finally found something that Cpt and Mick don't agree on!

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- keaner17

There has been a few things recently. We may have to seek counseling? That's unless he starts being smart again

This totally misses the point though. From a positional standpoint, JT is your cog. Everything revolves around him. Moulson is your pylon in front of the net. The other wing, by default has to be in constant movement with JT to carry and throw the puck into high percentage areas. Naturally that 'other player' is much less likely to hit the totals that Moulson hits goal wise. We have yet to see anyone take Moulson's spot on that line. We've consistently replaced the RW and have put up numbers all the time. I'm just as confident that we'd see continued production on LW if we did the same, especially with improved options on the RW.

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- keaner17

Name some of those options? I'm all for moving on from Moulson, but please just tell me who is going to score 30 goals a year for us? Bailey? Strome? Nelson? Kabanov? Okoposo? Get me another 30 goal scorer and I'll take Moulson to the airport myself

So if it takes very little skill to do what Moulson does and nobody else so far has been able to do what he has then I guess those guys like Bailey & Okposo have no skill at all because you just said it takes no skill to do what moulson does and yet neither one could stay on the 1st line for more then a couple of weeks. Saying it takes no skill to score 30 goals in the NHL is comical regardless of how they are scored. I'm sure its pretty easy to just sit in front of the net and get slashed and cross checked and whatever else goes on and still score.
- Vukota

Who has tried to do what he has? Moulson has been on JT's wing extensively save for like 2-3 games when they hit the tank. How has Matt done when he played without JT?

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Name some of those options? I'm all for moving on from Moulson, but please just tell me who is going to score 30 goals a year for us? Bailey? Strome? Nelson? Kabanov? Okoposo? Get me another 30 goal scorer and I'll take Moulson to the airport myself
- Vukota

and the cycle begins again... Can i just repost my previous entries?

I knew you'd do that you fack . If Clowe could get what he got and Clarkson could get what he did then as you put it a 30 goal scorer certainly could. Does it make it right? About as right as the contracts i mentioned earlier. I did already state this a half a dozen times.
- Cptmjl

They were UFA's and nothing but money was needed to get them. Again tell me what team is giving up a 1st rd pick for a 1 dimensional bum?

Who has tried to do what he has? Moulson has been on JT's wing extensively save for like 2-3 games when they hit the tank. How has Matt done when he played without JT?

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- keaner17

Nobody has because Moulson scores 30 goals a year playing with JT so they don't need to replace him. The guy has done nothing but produce for 3 years and he has a bad couple of months and now the guy is useless Can the guy suck for at least a full year before he gets run out of town. Is that too much to ask?

Who has tried to do what he has? Moulson has been on JT's wing extensively save for like 2-3 games when they hit the tank. How has Matt done when he played without JT?

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- keaner17

Keep Bailey on that line and watch a more balanced line in every aspect and for once the real finsiher(JT not Moulson) will be given the chance to do just that.

They were UFA's and nothing but money was needed to get them. Again tell me what team is giving up a 1st rd pick for a 1 dimensional bum?
- Vukota

IDK? What team would sign Clarkson to a 7 year 36.75 million dollar contract? Fine, let him walk for nothing. Great idea. Or even worse sign him to a ridiculous contract and be stuck with said bum for 5-7 years. Makes zero sense. I see your point, I get it. I always did but the way you want this to play out has a bad ending. Option 1 is the guy gets signed to a ridiculously stupid contract. Option 2 is he walks away for nothing. I don't like either of those options . That'll never change

Keep Bailey on that line and watch a more balanced line in every aspect and for once the real finsiher(JT not Moulson) will be given the chance to do just that.
- Cptmjl

Bailey has a good 20 game run and now he is a 1st line player, but moulson produced for 3 years on the first line and now after a 25 game bad run he is no good. Makes sense

Name some of those options? I'm all for moving on from Moulson, but please just tell me who is going to score 30 goals a year for us? Bailey? Strome? Nelson? Kabanov? Okoposo? Get me another 30 goal scorer and I'll take Moulson to the airport myself
- Vukota

I'm not saying those options are here, I'm saying if that RW position is improve upon, meaning with a higher talent caliber, then the production on LW is easier to maintain. Because of Strome's lack of size, I don't like the idea of using him in Matt's place. Okposo? If he were in that "role" he may actually do alright, but he hasn't had that chance. I think you need a bigger, tougher body there. As I said, I think Clutterbuck might surprise in that position (and I'm not even that big of a fan of his).

Overall, I'm not suggesting we get rid of Moulson just because he can't play defense, I'm saying that I don't think it would be wise to commit to him long term since the better this team gets, the higher our standards should be for players playing with a guy like JT. Moulson is a great top line winger for a team on the bubble, but for a true contender, I think we need more. I certainly don't think he'd be useful in a 2nd, 3rd or 4th line situation for any extended period.


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Bailey has a good 20 game run and now he is a 1st line player, but moulson produced for 3 years on the first line and now after a 25 game bad run he is no good. Makes sense
- Vukota

Bailey is a better player than Moulson in every aspect. Play him on a line with JT consistently and his numbers would exceed Moulsons. Do you really think Moulson is a better hockey player than Bailey? Moulson has been riding the coat tails of his line mate. If he signs somewhere else he will be an absolute flop unless he's playing with an elite player. If you put an even marginally better player consistently on a line with JT their numbers would exceed Moulson's. Moulson was given every opportunity to succeed on that line where as other players were not barring Okposo.

Nobody has because Moulson scores 30 goals a year playing with JT so they don't need to replace him. The guy has done nothing but produce for 3 years and he has a bad couple of months and now the guy is useless Can the guy suck for at least a full year before he gets run out of town. Is that too much to ask?
- Vukota

As I've said, I'm fine with him for 2013, even 2014...but as this team continues to imrove, my standards will rise along with it. So I'm holding my breath until we sign Vanek...

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I'm not saying those options are here, I'm saying if that RW position is improve upon, meaning with a higher talent caliber, then the production on LW is easier to maintain. Because of Strome's lack of size, I don't like the idea of using him in Matt's place. Okposo? If he were in that "role" he may actually do alright, but he hasn't had that chance. I think you need a bigger, tougher body there. As I said, I think Clutterbuck might surprise in that position (and I'm not even that big of a fan of his).

Overall, I'm not suggesting we get rid of Moulson just because he can't play defense, I'm saying that I don't think it would be wise to commit to him long term since the better this team gets, the higher our standards should be for players playing with a guy like JT. Moulson is a great top line winger for a team on the bubble, but for a true contender, I think we need more. I certainly don't think he'd be useful in a 2nd, 3rd or 4th line situation for any extended period.


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- keaner17

Moulson is no heavy weight

I'm not saying those options are here, I'm saying if that RW position is improve upon, meaning with a higher talent caliber, then the production on LW is easier to maintain. Because of Strome's lack of size, I don't like the idea of using him in Matt's place. Okposo? If he were in that "role" he may actually do alright, but he hasn't had that chance. I think you need a bigger, tougher body there. As I said, I think Clutterbuck might surprise in that position (and I'm not even that big of a fan of his).

Overall, I'm not suggesting we get rid of Moulson just because he can't play defense, I'm saying that I don't think it would be wise to commit to him long term since the better this team gets, the higher our standards should be for players playing with a guy like JT. Moulson is a great top line winger for a team on the bubble, but for a true contender, I think we need more. I certainly don't think he'd be useful in a 2nd, 3rd or 4th line situation for any extended period.


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- keaner17

I agree 100%. Again all I'm looking at is this year. If they trade him or let him walk I just hope they have another guy who is going to score 30 goals a year. That's all

I agree 100%. Again all I'm looking at is this year. If they trade him or let him walk I just hope they have another guy who is going to score 30 goals a year. That's all
- Vukota

Right, and I'm looking at the evolution of this team which goes through this year and well beyond. Considering he's in a contract year, we can't look at just this year. If Snow is doing his due dilligence, he's considering the impact of a potential contract versus trade for this year and many years after. That's ultimately what this year will bring for the Isles with Moulson, fish or cut bait.

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Bailey is a better player than Moulson in every aspect. Play him on a line with JT consistently and his numbers would exceed Moulsons. Do you really think Moulson is a better hockey player than Bailey? Moulson has been riding the coat tails of his line mate. If he signs somewhere else he will be an absolute flop unless he's playing with an elite player. If you put an even marginally better player consistently on a line with JT their numbers would exceed Moulson's.
- Cptmjl

I would hope Bailey turns out to be a better in the long run, but I don't see Bailey scoring 30 goals this year even if he played top line. I hope I'm wrong and your right and they all can score 30 goals a year playing with JT. Until then I'll stick with the guy who has produced every year. Why haven't they replaced Moulson yet on the 1st line if it only takes a marginally better player then him to succeed? If its that easy and he sucks that bad why haven't they just trade him for a 4th rd pick of something and move on??

Moulson is no heavy weight
- Cptmjl

Exactly..which is why I think it wouldn't be near as problematic to replace him as folks think. If you can get a big banger with decent hands there, I promise he's good for 25-30 with JT. Moulson is in the role of a powerforward but he isn't one. He's done well there because he's a smart saavy kid, but in a playoff situation when guys REALLY start getting the crap beat out of them in front of the net, I'm concerned that Moulson is no longer capable of keeping up in that role.

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Right, and I'm looking at the evolution of this team which goes through this year and well beyond. Considering he's in a contract year, we can't look at just this year. If Snow is doing his due dilligence, he's considering the impact of a potential contract versus trade for this year and many years after. That's ultimately what this year will bring for the Isles with Moulson, fish or cut bait.

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- keaner17

I'm all for trading Moulson if you replace his production. Again though if he sucks that bad and is only producing because of JT what trade value does he have since they're only a handful of players with JT's talent? Me, I'd rather keep him if they are in the playoffs at the time of the deadline then take a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. If he walks in the off season so be it, he sucks right

I'm all for trading Moulson if you replace his production. Again though if he sucks that bad and is only producing because of JT what trade value does he have since they're only a handful of players with JT's talent? Me, I'd rather keep him if they are in the playoffs at the time of the deadline then take a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. If he walks in the off season so be it, he sucks right
- Vukota

I don't disagree on the idea of keeping him around if the return offers aren't that good, but that's why Snow hopefully pays the phone bill. You never know who may be calling. One man's trash.....
To round back to the original topic, which I missed earlier, I would NOT trade him unless we were receiving a substantial return for him. This team should be back in the playoffs or at least competing for it at the deadline. Still, the bigger picture remains, do you sign Moulson to a long term deal? I say 'no'. I'd offer him no more than 3 years at maybe $4-$4.5. I just think he'll end up finding SOMEONE who pays more. If nothing else to generate fanfare by bringing in a 3-4 time 30 goal scorer.


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I don't disagree on the idea of keeping him around if the return offers aren't that good, but that's why Snow hopefully pays the phone bill. You never know who may be calling. One man's trash.....
To round back to the original topic, which I missed earlier, I would NOT trade him unless we were receiving a substantial return for him. This team should be back in the playoffs or at least competing for it at the deadline. Still, the bigger picture remains, do you sign Moulson to a long term deal? I say 'no'. I'd offer him no more than 3 years at maybe $4-$4.5. I just think he'll end up finding SOMEONE who pays more. If nothing else to generate fanfare by bringing in a 3-4 time 30 goal scorer.


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- keaner17

I don't think his agent would let him sign that. It would be great if he would agree to it out of team loyalty and friends in the locker room, but it's not going to happen.