My argument is based on the assumption he returns to his form off the last 3 years or so. If he continues the downward spiral then all bets are off.
- Vukota

My biggest problem in the whole Moulson argument is pointing out his production in the goals category while ignoring how much he handicaps that same line in the the other categories (not saying you directly). If I tell a guy to go stand in front of the net and bang home anything he see's and then put an elite forward like JT on the ice with him, I EXPECT at least 20-30 goals. You could put Stephen Hawking out there and several will bounce off him and in. I'm also willing to bet if you put a big body like Martin or this year Clutterbuck there, he too would likely be in the 30 range. So yes, I'm saying Moulson's production is a directly reflection of JT's dominance. In addition, I could make the argument to say that Boyes, as awful as he is, may have been a whole lot more effective if a more mobile player who can at least play in two zones had been in Moulson's place.
I always bring him up as an example, Robert Brown (who?) scored 49 goals in 68 games, ONLY because he got to stand on the door step while playing on Lemieux's wing. The typical garbage man crease dweller benefits from great linemates more than any player in sports.

xxkeaner17xx

So you're expecting a rookie to step in and score 30 goals a year?? Good luck with that
- Vukota

On a line with JT? Quite possible depending on the type of player.

keaner17

I don't know man. Contracts are out of hand. I would have no problem if they gave him a little more cash up front for a shorter term this way he doesn't block the prospects coming up. This is based on him scoring 30 goals again of course
- Vukota

If he scores 30 goals again he is getting at the very least 5.5 for 5 years. Just look at what Clowe and Clarkson got. Are you OK with that? and so it begins again. I'll start the next cycle so we can end up in the same spot in 30 more minutes

Now you're pissing me off . If you're really interested in my point go back and read my ealrier posts some in response to you. It's an overall increase in POSSIBLE point production. Yes it's POSSIBLE. None of us know for 100% certainty. Do you KNOW Moulson is going to score 30 goals especially after what we saw for 25 games last year? I would'nt make that bet. I'm not saying the kids are going to score 30 goals I'm saying they COULD help make up for it along with help from Clutterbuck potting a few more than Acoin and the addition of PMB may help over Boyes. The subtraction of Boyes and Acoin with the addition of the players we got is an increase in point production. Bailey being on the first line provided he plays like he did last year and the addition of a kid to the third or second line could and should increase point production. Don't take one thing I said and turn it into my main point. Jesus facking Christ!!
- Cptmjl

I'll venture to say that Moulson has a better chance of hitting 30 goals again then both Nelson & Strome even making the team never mind producing to offset Moulson.

My biggest problem in the whole Moulson argument is pointing out his production in the goals category while ignoring how much he handicaps that same line in the the other categories (not saying you directly). If I tell a guy to go stand in front of the net and bang home anything he see's and then put an elite forward like JT on the ice with him, I EXPECT at least 20-30 goals. You could put Stephen Hawking out there and several will bounce off him and in. I'm also willing to bet if you put a big body like Martin or this year Clutterbuck there, he too would likely be in the 30 range. So yes, I'm saying Moulson's production is a directly reflection of JT's dominance. In addition, I could make the argument to say that Boyes, as awful as he is, may have been a whole lot more effective if a more mobile player who can at least play in two zones had been in Moulson's place.
I always bring him up as an example, Robert Brown (who?) scored 49 goals in 68 games, ONLY because he got to stand on the door step while playing on Lemieux's wing. The typical garbage man crease dweller benefits from great linemates more than any player in sports.

xxkeaner17xx
- keaner17

Ok so anybody can produce like Moulson got it. Okposo scored 30 goals with JT oh wait they had to take him off that line because he was terrible. Bailey has scored 30 goals playing with JT oh wait they had to take him off that line as well. So now Martin & Clutterbuck are going to score 30 goals playing on that line. Got it

If he scores 30 goals again he is getting at the very least 5.5 for 5 years. Just look at what Clowe and Clarkson got. Are you OK with that? and so it begins again. I'll start the next cycle so we can end up in the same spot in 30 more minutes
- Cptmjl

No 5 years is too long

I'll venture to say that Moulson has a better chance of hitting 30 goals again then both Nelson & Strome even making the team never mind producing to offset Moulson.
- Vukota

OK but again I didn't say either of them would score thirty goals and I even stated they may not make the team in numerous posts. They were one of the many options I put forth you just decided to grab a hold od that one because it makes your point seem right. I know your strategy

No 5 years is too long
- Vukota

So then you're OK with letting a player walk for nothing again that could very well yield a significant return that may not help our playoff hopes? You're not signing him for any less a term or price than 5.5. If Moulson does he should fire his agent.

OK but again I didn't say either of them would score thirty goals and I even stated they may not make the team in numerous posts. They were one of the many options I put forth you just decided to grab a hold od that one because it makes your point seem right. I know your strategy
- Cptmjl

I don't need to grab onto anything to make my point seem right. Guys have been put on JT's line left and right and the only one to stick is Moulson, but lets get rid of him because all he does is score and is terrible at every other facet of the game. I love that plan

Ok so anybody can produce like Moulson got it. Okposo scored 30 goals with JT oh wait they had to take him off that line because he was terrible. Bailey has scored 30 goals playing with JT oh wait they had to take him off that line as well. So now Martin & Clutterbuck are going to score 30 goals playing on that line. Got it

- Vukota

Bailey finished the year on that line and looked enourmously better than Moulson. Hope he starts there this season.

I don't need to grab onto anything to make my point seem right. Guys have been put on JT's line left and right and the only one to stick is Moulson, but lets get rid of him because all he does is score and is terrible at every other facet of the game. I love that plan
- Vukota

There's more to it than that and you know it. I'm done with this one. When i saw the title of this blog i knew you and i would be debating

So then you're OK with letting a player walk for nothing again that could very well yield a significant return that may not help our playoff hopes? You're not signing him for any less a term or price than 5.5. If Moulson does he should fire his agent.
- Cptmjl

You like telling me to go back and read your posts again. So I will tell you to go back and read mine. I have said numerous times that I would deal him if the price was right. I would not trade him for just a pick if we are in the thick of the playoff race. Big difference my friend

I don't know man. Contracts are out of hand. I would have no problem if they gave him a little more cash up front for a shorter term this way he doesn't block the prospects coming up. This is based on him scoring 30 goals again of course
- Vukota

I hear you but I think this is the crux of the argument. If he has a decent season some GMs will offer him more than a lot of us think he's worth. I don't think he will be an Islander in 2014/15.

Bailey finished the year on that line and looked enourmously better than Moulson. Hope he starts there this season.
- Cptmjl

How many games was that? Let him do for a full season instead of a handful of games then will get rid of the guy who has scored 30 goals for 3 straight years

You like telling me to go back and read your posts again. So I will tell you to go back and read mine. I have said numerous times that I would deal him if the price was right. I would not trade him for just a pick if we are in the thick of the playoff race. Big difference my friend
- Vukota

If we are in the playoff race and he is contributing like he was last season when were in the same circumstance you wouldn't trade him for a mid first in next years draft with the class it is?

I hear you but I think this is the crux of the argument. If he has a decent season some GMs will offer him more than a lot of us think he's worth. I don't think he will be an Islander in 2014/15.
- JimmyP

Very well could be. I hope the kids make him expendable I really do, but until that time comes I want him on the Isles

Moulson... scored 2 goals in his last 25.
- Cptmjl

From what I can see, Moulson scored 5 goals in the last 25 regular season games. If you are counting the playoffs, he scored 6 goals in his last 25 games. Boyes scored 5 in the last 25 regular season games and only 2 in his last 25 games including playoffs.

Boyes = more of the problem.

If we are in the playoff race and he is contributing like he was last season when were in the same circumstance you wouldn't trade him for a mid first in next years draft with the class it is?
- Cptmjl

You mean if he is producing a point a game on the top line like he was last year, I would probably hold onto him unless you had somebody to replace him. But why would a team give up a 1st rd pick for such a terrible one dimensional player?

From what I can see, Moulson scored 5 goals in the last 25 regular season games. If you are counting the playoffs, he scored 6 goals in his last 25 games. Boyes scored 5 in the last 25 regular season games and only 2 in his last 25 games including playoffs.

Boyes = more of the problem.
- David_Volek

It's easy to just pick at a stretch of games a guy struggled and kill him and keep harping on it. While at the same time ignoring his production for the other 220 plus games

Very well could be. I hope the kids make him expendable I really do, but until that time comes I want him on the Isles
- Vukota

Me too, but not at some over inflated price. I think he will get it as an UFA and I don't blame him. I would do the same thing.

Ok so anybody can produce like Moulson got it. Okposo scored 30 goals with JT oh wait they had to take him off that line because he was terrible. Bailey has scored 30 goals playing with JT oh wait they had to take him off that line as well. So now Martin & Clutterbuck are going to score 30 goals playing on that line. Got it

- Vukota

Hence the reason I said, 'depends on the type of player' Bailey would be more suitable for a PA type role with JT. Okposo has an identity crisis that hopefully was cured last season though I have no desire to see him on the top line. I'll give you an example though. let's say we had Sean Coutier in our system. I'd be willing to bet, standing on the doorstep like Moulson, he's good for close to the same production. There is very little skillset required for Moulson's role other than keep your eyes on the goalie and whack anything that comes near you. When a guy like Tavares is on your line, those opportunities come much more often than other lines. I don't think 30 is a terribly lofty height when playing with a guy like JT.

Xxkeaner17xX

It's easy to just pick at a stretch of games a guy struggled and kill him and keep harping on it. While at the same time ignoring his production for the other 220 plus games
- Vukota

I agree with you. I think the major problem is our GM has been trying to find a cheap solution for the other wing. Boyes was nowhere near as good as PAP. I'm hoping we can find that wing in this year's camp. Moulson has a unique skill set that I think is too easily discounted by some.

That being said, I'd let him walk if he won't accept something like 3 years 12 mil.

I don't need to grab onto anything to make my point seem right. Guys have been put on JT's line left and right and the only one to stick is Moulson, but lets get rid of him because all he does is score and is terrible at every other facet of the game. I love that plan
- Vukota

This totally misses the point though. From a positional standpoint, JT is your cog. Everything revolves around him. Moulson is your pylon in front of the net. The other wing, by default has to be in constant movement with JT to carry and throw the puck into high percentage areas. Naturally that 'other player' is much less likely to hit the totals that Moulson hits goal wise. We have yet to see anyone take Moulson's spot on that line. We've consistently replaced the RW and have put up numbers all the time. I'm just as confident that we'd see continued production on LW if we did the same, especially with improved options on the RW.

Xxkeaner17xX

From what I can see, Moulson scored 5 goals in the last 25 regular season games. If you are counting the playoffs, he scored 6 goals in his last 25 games. Boyes scored 5 in the last 25 regular season games and only 2 in his last 25 games including playoffs.

Boyes = more of the problem.
- David_Volek

Not disputing that.

From what I can see, Moulson scored 5 goals in the last 25 regular season games. If you are counting the playoffs, he scored 6 goals in his last 25 games. Boyes scored 5 in the last 25 regular season games and only 2 in his last 25 games including playoffs.

Boyes = more of the problem.
- David_Volek

Moulson's 2 in 20 came in mid season.

Xxkeaner17xX