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Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 26 @ 7:25 PM ET
He has flaws no doubt but you act like the guy is useless. I just can't forget the numbers he put up the last 3 years just because he had a bad playoff series. Maybe he was hurt? Maybe he wasn't but I think he should get the benefit of the doubt and see what he does this year before we run him out of town. With the current roster as it stands whether you like him or not the Isles need him and his 30 goals.
- Vukota

I don't think he's useless I just think we can do better than him on the first line. I have no problem seeing how he comes out but if he looks like he did last season towards the end you trade him and get an asset. What would you rather overpay him when he hits FA? Someone will. Again, I hope one of these kids or PMB turns out and he becomes tradable before we sign him to a stupid contract. What's the difference of hoping for him to become expendable as opposed to hoping for Poulin to mature or Nabby holding up over an 82 game season? Or hoping Donovan can really contribute? We are hoping for a lot and we all see the progression of this team.I just see that progression moving on without Moulson and whatever some stupid GM decides to pay him. He won't be worth whatever he gets paid whether it's by us or someone else. If he comes out playing great than of course you reconsider this.
TheLeafsInsider
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Choke Central, ON
Joined: 03.30.2011

Aug 26 @ 7:48 PM ET
3 years at 6 million a year?? I wouldn't give him that even if he could back check. I like MM & 30 goal scorers dont grow on trees, but 2 years 9-10 mill is the most I would do with him at this point & that's only seeing how he comes out the gate.

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX


Look what Clarkson got, look what Clowe got, Horton got, hell Bryan Bickell got 4m a year for one good postseason.

That offer would be a pretty hard lowball, he could fetch 3 years at around 6 per or 4 years at around 5-5.5 pretty easily I imagine. Maybe even 5/25.

I think a 4/20 deal or something along those lines would be a fair deal both ways. Bit of a hometown discount compared to what he could get as a UFA to stay with Tavares and the boys.
Mr.Black
New York Islanders
Location: My sources are my thoughts, ON
Joined: 11.09.2007

Aug 26 @ 7:51 PM ET
Moulson 4 year 20 mill.









nuff said
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Aug 26 @ 8:19 PM ET
We aren't a playoff team, we are a team that made the playoffs..

if Moulson is so important to the team and we let him walk for nothing, what are our chances are making the playoffs the next year without him? He is a very valuable commodity and if trading him can bring back pieces that turn us from a fringe team into a playoff team.. you have to do it rather then see the guy walk for nothing.

Also.. Playoff teams let players walk all the time, but these teams are also able to replace them with free agents or they have a minor league pipeline filling the holes.... we don't have the free agents coming & our pipeline is just starting to trickle out NHL talent.

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX



I agree I said I wouldn't trade him at the deadline for just a pick. A package of some type is a different scenario
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Aug 26 @ 8:21 PM ET
I don't think he's useless I just think we can do better than him on the first line. I have no problem seeing how he comes out but if he looks like he did last season towards the end you trade him and get an asset. What would you rather overpay him when he hits FA? Someone will. Again, I hope one of these kids or PMB turns out and he becomes tradable before we sign him to a stupid contract. What's the difference of hoping for him to become expendable as opposed to hoping for Poulin to mature or Nabby holding up over an 82 game season? Or hoping Donovan can really contribute? We are hoping for a lot and we all see the progression of this team.I just see that progression moving on without Moulson and whatever some stupid GM decides to pay him. He won't be worth whatever he gets paid whether it's by us or someone else. If he comes out playing great than of course you reconsider this.
- Cptmjl



From outside the team of course we all know that. My point is right now he is one of our top goal scorers no matter how bad he is in other areas. This team is not some power house that can just turn out scorer after scorer, otherwise he would be expendable
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 26 @ 8:33 PM ET
From outside the team of course we all know that. My point is right now he is one of our top goal scorers no matter how bad he is in other areas. This team is not some power house that can just turn out scorer after scorer, otherwise he would be expendable
- Vukota

I agree. this team is not some power house. We are still rebuilding. You don't let a guy walk away for nothing. If that's the case you trade him. If moulson is the make or break for us to get to the playoffs you keep him. I just don't see that being the case but if it is I'm all for keeping him.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 26 @ 8:34 PM ET
Moulson 4 year 20 mill.









nuff said

- Mr.Black

UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Aug 26 @ 9:06 PM ET
Moulson is a big part of this team's offense. There's really no other way to put it. He's a flawed player, sure. But he's important. No other winger has proven as consistent as him over just one full season, let alone several in a row. Hey, I'd love it if there were players beating down Moulson's door for that spot and we had an embarrassment of options, but no one is yet. Until someone does, the Isles can't really even consider getting rid of him, even if that means paying some higher dollars to keep him around for a few years.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 26 @ 9:37 PM ET
Moulson is a big part of this team's offense. There's really no other way to put it. He's a flawed player, sure. But he's important. No other winger has proven as consistent as him over just one full season, let alone several in a row. Hey, I'd love it if there were players beating down Moulson's door for that spot and we had an embarrassment of options, but no one is yet. Until someone does, the Isles can't really even consider getting rid of him, even if that means paying some higher dollars to keep him around for a few years.
- UIF

If one of these kids steps up this year then you get rid of him bcs you have another option if that doesn't happen then you think about keeping him. The guy didn't even play on the first line the second half of the year and that wasn't a reward for his good play. Who knows if he even starts on the first line this year? If he shows something different then what we saw the second half then you consider keeping him if not you trade him for something rather than overpaying or losing him for nothing. He's not worth anything close to what he's going to get paid and if you're a believer in this team improving then you don't handcuff moulson to the first line for another four or more years. He won't produce anywhere else.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Aug 26 @ 10:15 PM ET
If one of these kids steps up this year then you get rid of him bcs you have another option if that doesn't happen then you think about keeping him. The guy didn't even play on the first line the second half of the year and that wasn't a reward for his good play. Who knows if he even starts on the first line this year? If he shows something different then what we saw the second half then you consider keeping him if not you trade him for something rather than overpaying or losing him for nothing. He's not worth anything close to what he's going to get paid and if you're a believer in this team improving then you don't handcuff moulson to the first line for another four or more years. He won't produce anywhere else.
- Cptmjl


If.
jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Aug 26 @ 10:25 PM ET
Met Cal last weekend @ a golf Tournament... pretty cool guy.

He said the Wild only offered a one year deal... but he wanted a long term deal.

He knew they put him out on the market... but he was 95% sure he was going to San Jose.

He said the Isles made a late pitch for him. He said JT called him and put some pressure on management to get the deal done.

Looking forward to playing on the Island... but was a little upset about not going to California...lol.

keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Aug 26 @ 11:59 PM ET
You must be a Jimmy Page fan.
- Charlie21

1since40
New York Islanders
Location: more to come, TX
Joined: 12.18.2007

Aug 27 @ 12:03 AM ET
Met Cal last weekend @ a golf Tournament... pretty cool guy.

He said the Wild only offered a one year deal... but he wanted a long term deal.

He knew they put him out on the market... but he was 95% sure he was going to San Jose.

He said the Isles made a late pitch for him. He said JT called him and put some pressure on management to get the deal done.

Looking forward to playing on the Island... but was a little upset about not going to California...lol.

- jimmc7722

Nice intel! And I think this just SCREAMS JT's mindset. CC, IMHO, is a way bigger asset than a European demanding a roster spot 2 years in.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...e.com/watch?v=vtNXWatG6kc
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Aug 27 @ 12:09 AM ET
Moulson is a big part of this team's offense. There's really no other way to put it. He's a flawed player, sure. But he's important. No other winger has proven as consistent as him over just one full season, let alone several in a row. Hey, I'd love it if there were players beating down Moulson's door for that spot and we had an embarrassment of options, but no one is yet. Until someone does, the Isles can't really even consider getting rid of him, even if that means paying some higher dollars to keep him around for a few years.
- UIF

I get what you're saying but think you have to consider the context a bit more. While he is a big part of our offense, he only offers one thing to this team and that's snow shovel goals. While I definitely agree that has decent value in this league, we do have to ultimately consider if his substantial shortcomings warrant committing to him in the long term. I'm really not sure how I feel about him at this stage. because of his being a total defensive liability, it forces whoever plays on the other wing to have to think more defensively.
Once again, if what we saw from MM in last years playoffs is a sign of how he responds to tightly checked/intense games, we have a major red flag in regards to spending $17-20 mil

Xxkeaner17xX
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Aug 27 @ 12:11 AM ET
Huh?
- Cptmjl

Meaning he is one of our best character guys

Yykeaner17yY
Dedshark
New York Islanders
Location: Amityville, NY
Joined: 04.01.2008

Aug 27 @ 2:13 AM ET
Meaning he is one of our best character guys

Yykeaner17yY

- keaner17


So was Bruno Gervais....
Dedshark
New York Islanders
Location: Amityville, NY
Joined: 04.01.2008

Aug 27 @ 2:14 AM ET
So what do we do with Moulson after he has a career year this upcoming season and pots 42 goals??
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 27 @ 5:43 AM ET
If.
- UIF

Yep. We are riding on lots of ifs this year.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 27 @ 5:46 AM ET
So was Bruno Gervais....
- Dedshark

Can moulson cook?
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 27 @ 6:56 AM ET
So what do we do with Moulson after he has a career year this upcoming season and pots 42 goals??
- Dedshark

you keep him of course but don't sign him to a five yr ridiculous deal.
TurkishPancake
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.08.2013

Aug 27 @ 7:54 AM ET
I get what you're saying but think you have to consider the context a bit more. While he is a big part of our offense, he only offers one thing to this team and that's snow shovel goals. While I definitely agree that has decent value in this league, we do have to ultimately consider if his substantial shortcomings warrant committing to him in the long term. I'm really not sure how I feel about him at this stage. because of his being a total defensive liability, it forces whoever plays on the other wing to have to think more defensively.
Once again, if what we saw from MM in last years playoffs is a sign of how he responds to tightly checked/intense games, we have a major red flag in regards to spending $17-20 mil

Xxkeaner17xX

- keaner17

Moulson is a bad 3rd liner who should be standing in front of the net on the PP. He scores 30 goals on the JT's wing. Put him on the second line and he's maybe scoring 5-7 even strength goals for the year. He's great on the PP to create screens and put in the garbage and you need a guy to do that...but unfortunately thats where his game begins and ends.

I really don't know how much value he would have in a trade. Sure he'll score some goals in the right situation but I don't think the rest of the league has blinders on and can't see just how bad he is at every other facet of the game. I'd really be shocked if anyone offered more than a 3rd and mid tier prospect.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Aug 27 @ 7:55 AM ET
I'll disagree with you here. Sure you can. For a player who could very well be asking for the moon and the stars you trade him. I know the guy scores I'm aware but he is horrendous in every other sense. Doesn't fit the style this team started playing and was successful with last year. You get something back rather than nothing.
- Cptmjl

So, if the isles are in the playoff picture and Moulson is producing, you're cool with trading him for a draft pick if he's not signed to an extension by the trade deadline?
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 27 @ 7:57 AM ET
Moulson is a bad 3rd liner who should be standing in front of the net on the PP. He scores 30 goals on the JT's wing. Put him on the second line and he's maybe scoring 5-7 even strength goals for the year. He's great on the PP to create screens and put in the garbage and you need a guy to do that...but unfortunately thats where his game begins and ends.

I really don't know how much value he would have in a trade. Sure he'll score some goals in the right situation but I don't think the rest of the league has blinders on and can't see just how bad he is at every other facet of the game. I'd really be shocked if anyone offered more than a 3rd and mid tier prospect.

- TurkishPancake

I think we could get a lot more than that? I do agree that the rest of the league is aware of what exactly he brings or should I say doesn't bring to a team.
TurkishPancake
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.08.2013

Aug 27 @ 7:59 AM ET
I think we could get a lot more than that? I do agree that the rest of the league is aware of what exactly he brings or should I say doesn't bring to a team.
- Cptmjl

Maybe if he has that mustache at the time of the trade.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 27 @ 8:03 AM ET
So, if the isles are in the playoff picture and Moulson is producing, you're cool with trading him for a draft pick if he's not signed to an extension by the trade deadline?
- Jethro09

Define producing. If he is contributing at a level that we won't make it without him than no. Like i said earlier I just don't see that happening though. He's not that kind of player. I don't think Moulson is a make or break player. If any of Strome, Nelson, or PMB are productive he becomes expendable IMO. If he becomes expendable due to this you get a return rather than let him walk for nothing on a team that is rebuliding. To me it's common sense. How many more guys do you want to see hit FA and get little to no return for? Or would you rather sign Moulson to a 5 yr 5.5 million dollar contract? That's what it'll take at least. Are you OK with that?
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