I would be willling to bet when Moulson resigns he is going to get 5-6M AAV as opposed to 4-5M AAV. EDIT: By resign, I mean with the Islanders or with another team.

Joe Pavelski got 6M AAV.

Those claiming Moulson is a product of Tavares are also the ones who claimed the same of Parenteau. He scored 44 points in 48 games last year.

I'm not saying conclusively Moulson isn't a product of Tavares, but rather showing why that train of thought might be wrong as a reason why he would take a pay cut to stay with Tavares.

Then again, Parenteau signed for 4years/16M... But Moulson has 3 30+ goal seasons, and as mentioned 30 goal scorers are a commodity.
- Khlvalchuk

Tavares is making 5.5 million a year. Nobody on the team should be making more. Moulson knows this.

I would be willling to bet when Moulson resigns he is going to get 5-6M AAV as opposed to 4-5M AAV. EDIT: By resign, I mean with the Islanders or with another team.

Joe Pavelski got 6M AAV.

Those claiming Moulson is a product of Tavares are also the ones who claimed the same of Parenteau. He scored 44 points in 48 games last year.

I'm not saying conclusively Moulson isn't a product of Tavares, but rather showing why that train of thought might be wrong as a reason why he would take a pay cut to stay with Tavares.

Then again, Parenteau signed for 4years/16M... But Moulson has 3 30+ goal seasons, and as mentioned 30 goal scorers are a commodity.
- Khlvalchuk

I can't believe we're going here again, but I still take issue with PA. He went from a prime situation with Moulson and Tavares to playing top line and 1st pp minutes with the Avs. Almost an identical situation. He also scored a lot more goals last year than typically, and I truly believe that will not happen again. I don't expect PA to score more than 50 points this season, even on the top line, with 1st pp minutes on the avs.

Moulson also has massive holes in his game, defensively he's awful, skating is terrible, there's no physical game to him along the wall. That said, he scores goals and is becoming a better playmaker, and for that reason he stays.

I would be willling to bet when Moulson resigns he is going to get 5-6M AAV as opposed to 4-5M AAV. EDIT: By resign, I mean with the Islanders or with another team.

Joe Pavelski got 6M AAV.

Those claiming Moulson is a product of Tavares are also the ones who claimed the same of Parenteau. He scored 44 points in 48 games last year. I'm not saying conclusively Moulson isn't a product of Tavares, but rather showing why that train of thought might be wrong as a reason why he would take a pay cut to stay with Tavares.

Then again, Parenteau signed for 4years/16M... But Moulson has 3 30+ goal seasons, and as mentioned 30 goal scorers are a commodity.
- Khlvalchuk

I'd really like to see PA play a full season elsewhere before closing the book on him. He went from one elite player (Tavares) to another (Duchene). The fact remains that prior to playing with Tavares, PA was 28 years old and unable to stay on an NHL roster. The guy is a VERY streaky player, as apparent during his disappearance from our stat sheets during his final 20 games with the Isles.


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Tavares is making 5.5 million a year. Nobody on the team should be making more. Moulson knows this.
- mighty13duck

essentially if Moulson wants to hit the market as a UFA some idiot will give him 5.5 or 6, but I don't believe he'll walk out on the team unless Snow decides he has a better fit in the system. IMO, Moulson stays at 4.8 for 3 years. He's earned some dough, but he should show some loyalty.

I'd really like to see PA play a full season elsewhere before closing the book on him. He went from one elite player (Tavares) to another (Duchene). The fact remains that prior to playing with Tavares, PA was 28 years old and unable to stay on an NHL roster. The guy is a VERY streaky player, as apparent during his disappearance from our stat sheets during his final 20 games with the Isles.


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- keaner17

Keaner and I always agree. Don't mess with us

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I can't believe we're going here again, but I still take issue with PA. He went from a prime situation with Moulson and Tavares to playing top line and 1st pp minutes with the Avs. Almost an identical situation. He also scored a lot more goals last year than typically, and I truly believe that will not happen again. I don't expect PA to score more than 50 points this season, even on the top line, with 1st pp minutes on the avs.

Moulson also has massive holes in his game, defensively he's awful, skating is terrible, there's no physical game to him along the wall. That said, he scores goals and is becoming a better playmaker, and for that reason he stays.
- Isles_since_6

So given the opportunity (PP time, 1st line), PA Parenteau put up almost 1 PPG without John Tavares. I'm not trying to say Moulson is or isn't a product of Tavares' skill. It's not as if Matt Duchene is a star like Tavares. Let's not forgert Duchene was coming off of a 28 point season. It would not be fair to say Parenteau benefitted strictly from his linemates. (I think someone else responded to me saying Duchene was elite... I was not aware the definition of elite had changed to 193 points in 266 GP)

Touching on the point of Tavares's 5.5AAV contract. Just because it's one the best if not THE best contract in the league does not mean Moulson isn't greedy. Drew Doughty almost held out when he was due to get paid because he wanted more money than Anze Kopitar. Yes, Moulson has a great linemate and ample opportunity to score in Long Island. But do not be fooled into thinking he's not thnking about a payday. wether from Snow or a rival GM.

Heck, maybe Moulson breaks the mold and gets 4-5M AAV to stay in NYI. All I wanted to say was do not discoutn the possibility of him getting more, especially with the market these days. A quick glance at recent contracts could leave Matt thinking he could get a big contract on the open market.

So given the opportunity (PP time, 1st line), PA Parenteau put up almost 1 PPG without John Tavares. I'm not trying to say Moulson is or isn't a product of Tavares' skill. It's not as if Matt Duchene is a star like Tavares. Let's not forgert Duchene was coming off of a 28 point season. It would not be fair to say Parenteau benefitted strictly from his linemates. (I think someone else responded to me saying Duchene was elite... I was not aware the definition of elite had changed to 193 points in 266 GP)

Touching on the point of Tavares's 5.5AAV contract. Just because it's one the best if not THE best contract in the league does not mean Moulson isn't greedy. Drew Doughty almost held out when he was due to get paid because he wanted more money than Anze Kopitar. Yes, Moulson has a great linemate and ample opportunity to score in Long Island. But do not be fooled into thinking he's not thnking about a payday. wether from Snow or a rival GM.

Heck, maybe Moulson breaks the mold and gets 4-5M AAV to stay in NYI. All I wanted to say was do not discoutn the possibility of him getting more, especially with the market these days. A quick glance at recent contracts could leave Matt thinking he could get a big contract on the open market.
- Khlvalchuk

The "market" is exactly why Moulson will likely not be an Islander past this season. Snow doesn't sign guys to a number that the "market" tells him to. He has an idea in mind for what a guy's monetary value is to the Islanders given their unique (low) payroll situation. That's why Streit isn't here any longer and why PAP is gone. Snow probably would have much rather kept PAP than sign Brad Boyes last year. Snow probably would have loved to keep Streit rather than move him for a mid-round pick and an ECHL player. But the market priced those two off the Isles' roster.

I think Snow will go to the Moulson camp with a two year deal for about $8M tops. If Moulson doesn't take it (and the "market" would likely yield him a bigger pay-day based on some of the absurd deals that were just given out in July), Snow will either move him at the deadline for fair compensation for a 30-goal scorer (i.e. not a mid-round draft pick) or hold onto him and trade his rights before the UFA period starts, ala Streit.

JT ranked #5 on NHL fantasy rankings. Moulson #49

So given the opportunity (PP time, 1st line), PA Parenteau put up almost 1 PPG without John Tavares. I'm not trying to say Moulson is or isn't a product of Tavares' skill. It's not as if Matt Duchene is a star like Tavares. Let's not forgert Duchene was coming off of a 28 point season. It would not be fair to say Parenteau benefitted strictly from his linemates. (I think someone else responded to me saying Duchene was elite... I was not aware the definition of elite had changed to 193 points in 266 GP)

Touching on the point of Tavares's 5.5AAV contract. Just because it's one the best if not THE best contract in the league does not mean Moulson isn't greedy. Drew Doughty almost held out when he was due to get paid because he wanted more money than Anze Kopitar. Yes, Moulson has a great linemate and ample opportunity to score in Long Island. But do not be fooled into thinking he's not thnking about a payday. wether from Snow or a rival GM.

Heck, maybe Moulson breaks the mold and gets 4-5M AAV to stay in NYI. All I wanted to say was do not discoutn the possibility of him getting more, especially with the market these days. A quick glance at recent contracts could leave Matt thinking he could get a big contract on the open market.
- Khlvalchuk

JT's career stats: 291 112 137 249
Duchene's career stats: 266 82 111 193

Duchene is a pretty damn good player, maybe not top level elite, but a great player. PA also scored 18 goals last year, 2 off his career high in a shortened season. Odds of this happening again? Slim to none. PA had a hot start to the year, slowed a bit and ended up with great numbers. I predict he'll finish around the same point total this year, over 82 games.

So given the opportunity (PP time, 1st line), PA Parenteau put up almost 1 PPG without John Tavares. I'm not trying to say Moulson is or isn't a product of Tavares' skill. It's not as if Matt Duchene is a star like Tavares. Let's not forgert Duchene was coming off of a 28 point season. It would not be fair to say Parenteau benefitted strictly from his linemates. (I think someone else responded to me saying Duchene was elite... I was not aware the definition of elite had changed to 193 points in 266 GP) Touching on the point of Tavares's 5.5AAV contract. Just because it's one the best if not THE best contract in the league does not mean Moulson isn't greedy. Drew Doughty almost held out when he was due to get paid because he wanted more money than Anze Kopitar. Yes, Moulson has a great linemate and ample opportunity to score in Long Island. But do not be fooled into thinking he's not thnking about a payday. wether from Snow or a rival GM.

Heck, maybe Moulson breaks the mold and gets 4-5M AAV to stay in NYI. All I wanted to say was do not discoutn the possibility of him getting more, especially with the market these days. A quick glance at recent contracts could leave Matt thinking he could get a big contract on the open market.
- Khlvalchuk

I think most people anticipate that Duchene is an 'elite' talent. While his statistics may not yet be elite, he is a force on the ice similar to a Stamkos type player with great skating ability and shot. While mentioning his 28 point season, it should also be mentioned that he only played 58 games that year, which followed a 67 point season. He finished last year with 43 points in 47 games. Anyone who has seen Duchene play, knows he is a top tier talent. So yes, I'd say Parenteau, while a very decent player, has managed to piggy back into a nice contract and half a season is not enough time to proclaim him an independent ppg guy. I see PA as more of a 45-50 point guy. We'll see if he maintains that stretch, but I certainly wasn't interested in seeing us deal out 4 years @ $16 mil for him.

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Keaner and I always agree. Don't mess with us
- Isles_since_6

You must be a Jimmy Page fan.

Moulson has more 30 goal seasons than Johan Franzen and David Clarkson combined.

Be prepared to pay a hefty amount.

I agree with this assesmment except I don't know why you would say Moulson has "no creativity" in the offensive zone. Is he going to deke the pants off a defender in a one on one situation and then skate around him and put a spin-o-rama top shelf? no. but not many are. I think he has shown plenty of creativity with the puck though and especially on the power play. I think his creativity is especially noticeable in tight. He is able to make some really nice tick-tac-toe passing with his "lacrosse hands" and he is able to be patient if need be when the puck is on his stick and out wait a goalie. Is this not creativity?

Tavares is making 5.5 million a year. Nobody on the team should be making more. Moulson knows this.
- mighty13duck

JT is underpaid and everybody knows it. Snow was smart in locking him up cheap but at the same time he will use that as an excuse not to pay anybody more then that thus keeping big time free agents away. Teams throw money around like its fake money and somebody will do the same to Moulson if he gets to UFA.

But it would be a problem, a team that is rebuilding can not let assets walk for nothing & a perennial 30 goal scorer has value on the market. Value the GM can not let walk away for nothing.

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- XxNYIxX

Agreed. We've been there done that. Know matter what my opinion is of Moulson you don't let a 3 time thirty goal scorer(and on pace for 4)walk away for nothing. You get something back. This team is still rebuilding and should continue to build(and trade)through the draft. We can get a valuable asset in return. If one of these kids is truly ready and PMB comes out strong he's expendable in my book. Start seeing what kind of interest is out there and don't be left standing when the music stops at the trade deadline when every team knows you're looking to get rid of him. Bailey is interchangeable on that line IMO.
Fill in the spaces with one of Strome , PMB, or Nelson if they're ready. We have a little depth up front for once we shouldn't get handcuffed to this guys for any length of time. Contrary to what some believe he's not very good. I don't hate him but I think we can do better.

If Moulson isn't going to play on JT's wing, he has little to no value on this team. Moulson's best assets are his personality and nose for the net. That second quality dramatically decreases based on the talent dropoff around him. Just like any garbage man player, you're going to score a lot more goals standing in the crease with a guy like JT than you will with Frans Nielsen. So the idea of 3 years @ $18 million is way overpriced IMO for Moulson and insane if he's not going to be married to the top line for the next few years. He lacks too many other skillsets to rationalize that type of contract.


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- keaner17

Huh?

thanks!!
- Dan Petriw

Good job yet again btw

Was it really a step back? He was on pace for right around his usual 30 goals and he was on a career high pace for points & Assists. If he is producing and they are right in the middle of it at the deadline they are not trading him unless somebody over pays. You can't trade him for picks if he is putting up his usual numbers. Gonna be a tough call for Snow
- Vukota

I'll disagree with you here. Sure you can. For a player who could very well be asking for the moon and the stars you trade him. I know the guy scores I'm aware but he is horrendous in every other sense. Doesn't fit the style this team started playing and was successful with last year. You get something back rather than nothing.

Very true. Streit is the perfect example. We could have gotten some value but ultimately knew having him for the playoff run was more importent. That said, the Isles need to work his extension out fast if they plan to make him a long term member of this team. Otherwise, they need to start putting out feelers while the iron is hot.

Sure Moulson has put up big numbers over the last few years, but I found his performance down the stretch and in the playoffs very disturbing. He looked completely overwhelmed and was a virtual non factor when crunch time came. He was arguably the worst player on the ice during that stretch. What concerns me is that this may indicate, when other teams turn their game up a notch, a player like Moulson has difficulty doing the same since he's always giving it his all regardless.


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- keaner17

Do you guys really think Moulson is going to help us in the PO's? He is the exact opposite of kind of player I want on the first line in the PO's.

I'll disagree with you here. Sure you can. For a player who could very well be asking for the moon and the stars you trade him. I know the guy scores I'm aware but he is horrendous in every other sense. Doesn't fit the style this team started playing and was successful with last year. You get something back rather than nothing.
- Cptmjl

So if the Islanders are 3 points out of a top 4 seed or lets say the division because you never know and Moulson was putting up his usual 25 plus goals at the time of the deadline and was a key player on the PP like usual you would trade him for a pick because you don't won't to lose him for nothing? What playoff team unloads their top 6 forwards for picks at the deadline? Teams that are out of the playoff picture make those types of moves. Playoff teams lose guys to UFA every year, small price to pay for being in the playoffs.

Do you guys really think Moulson is going to help us in the PO's? He is the exact opposite of kind of player I want on the first line in the PO's.
- Cptmjl

He has flaws no doubt but you act like the guy is useless. I just can't forget the numbers he put up the last 3 years just because he had a bad playoff series. Maybe he was hurt? Maybe he wasn't but I think he should get the benefit of the doubt and see what he does this year before we run him out of town. With the current roster as it stands whether you like him or not the Isles need him and his 30 goals.

So if the Islanders are 3 points out of a top 4 seed or lets say the division because you never know and Moulson was putting up his usual 25 plus goals at the time of the deadline and was a key player on the PP like usual you would trade him for a pick because you don't won't to lose him for nothing? What playoff team unloads their top 6 forwards for picks at the deadline? Teams that are out of the playoff picture make those types of moves. Playoff teams lose guys to UFA every year, small price to pay for being in the playoffs.
- Vukota

I really don't think he's going to make or break us in the PO's or getting there. He was one of the worst players down that stretch leading up to the PO's. In fact sometimes he was hard to watch and every single one of us was b!tching about it on here.
Like I said in my earlier post I think(and hope) he will be come more expenadable with a kid promotion< Bailey or PMB. We will see?

So if the Islanders are 3 points out of a top 4 seed or lets say the division because you never know and Moulson was putting up his usual 25 plus goals at the time of the deadline and was a key player on the PP like usual you would trade him for a pick because you don't won't to lose him for nothing? What playoff team unloads their top 6 forwards for picks at the deadline? Teams that are out of the playoff picture make those types of moves. Playoff teams lose guys to UFA every year, small price to pay for being in the playoffs.
- Vukota

Yes

If we are doing that well & his value is that high and we aren't going to resign him... yes get a first rounder, get a good goalie prospect, full a weakness in our pipeline.

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So if the Islanders are 3 points out of a top 4 seed or lets say the division because you never know and Moulson was putting up his usual 25 plus goals at the time of the deadline and was a key player on the PP like usual you would trade him for a pick because you don't won't to lose him for nothing? What playoff team unloads their top 6 forwards for picks at the deadline? Teams that are out of the playoff picture make those types of moves. Playoff teams lose guys to UFA every year, small price to pay for being in the playoffs.
- Vukota

We aren't a playoff team, we are a team that made the playoffs..

if Moulson is so important to the team and we let him walk for nothing, what are our chances are making the playoffs the next year without him? He is a very valuable commodity and if trading him can bring back pieces that turn us from a fringe team into a playoff team.. you have to do it rather then see the guy walk for nothing.

Also.. Playoff teams let players walk all the time, but these teams are also able to replace them with free agents or they have a minor league pipeline filling the holes.... we don't have the free agents coming & our pipeline is just starting to trickle out NHL talent.

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