Hence his firing wasn't justified. You're just getting dumber by the post.
- systemtool

By all those teams you are an idiot.

Would the 56 point season that Holmgren presided over have been more acceptable coming from Burke then?
- lumlums

How many years has Holmgren consecutively missed as a GM?

By all those teams you are an idiot.
- honesthockey

ALL what teams? You mean 3 teams? One which he won a Cup with?

You goof.

How many years has Holmgren consecutively missed as a GM?
- honesthockey

How many Cup wins does he have compared to Burke?

Ok cool, cause so didnt Grabo, Komi and Liles
- systemtool

I'll give you Liles. The other two?!? One good (frank)ing season and boom they are awesome.

5-6 mill??

Explain?
- honesthockey

Most gms try to "Tank" with top picks to rebuild. There was nothing conventional with how Burke did it.

Who cares about Burke.


He's a Rugby guy

How many Cup wins does he have compared to Burke?
- systemtool

So does Jay Feaster.

Who cares about Burke.


He's a Rugby guy
- robin_steele264

Then why was he let go?
- honesthockey

Ownership thought he was an A-hole and didn't fit the personality they wanted. Nonis is the more corporate guy.

By all those teams you are an idiot.
- honesthockey

And he was fired in at least two cases after new ownership came in and wanted to pick their own guy which is very common. I get the impression they don't want a strong personality like Burke on the scene as an incumbent, that can be threatening when new owners want to establish control. So Burke's style is a double edge sword. If he'd been a little quieter here, maybe he'd have stayed on. Then again maybe that's how he gets things done, it's impossible to know.

At any rate, getting fired multiple times in sports at the coaching/management level is no indication at all of ability. I can't even be bothered to type out all the very successful people in sports who get fired over and over again, it's part of the deal.

Holmgren should be fired, if Burkes firing was warranted. In addition, one has a Cup win as a GM, the other doesn't. Can you name which is which?

Holmgren also uses buyouts any time he can or needs to.
- systemtool

That Flyers cap situationis so horrendous. And that's with Pronger doing them a huge favour by not retiring officially.

Ownership thought he was an A-hole and didn't fit the personality they wanted. Nonis is the more corporate guy.
- RogerRoeper

The post listed a few teams not just the Leafs. Why was he let go if he did such a great job by more then one team.

You are a joke.
- honesthockey

You can laugh, but he's right. It's the NHL's richest teams that used the most buyouts.

Luongo only wasn't bought-out because ownership said no.

How many years has Holmgren consecutively missed as a GM?
- honesthockey

Burke has missed approx three years (2 after the canucks, one after leaving TML) since becoming a GM in 1998. Since his first GM job, Holmgren spent 1995-2006 as a scout and then Assistant GM... so by your question, Holmgren has missed significantly more.

The post listed a few teams not just the Leafs. Why was he let go if he did such a great job by more then one team.
- honesthockey

in Anaheim, hetold them he wasn't re-signing with them. And Vancouver he wasn't fired, his contact wasn't renewed.

And he was fired in at least two cases after new ownership came in and wanted to pick their own guy which is very common. I get the impression they don't want a strong personality like Burke on the scene as an incumbent, that can be threatening when new owners want to establish control. So Burke's style is a double edge sword. If he'd been a little quieter here, maybe he'd have stayed on. Then again maybe that's how he gets things done, it's impossible to know.

At any rate, getting fired multiple times in sports at the coaching/management level is no indication at all of ability. I can't even be bothered to type out all the very successful people in sports who get fired over and over again, it's part of the deal.
- Zezel

Oh hey I agree that being a coach or GM for a professional sports franchise is a precarious (good dumlum?) position. Yet the good ones last for long periods of time.

Burke has missed approx three years (2 after the canucks, one after leaving TML) since becoming a GM in 1998. Since his first GM job, Holmgren spent 1995-2006 as a scout and then Assistant GM... so by your question, Holmgren has missed significantly more.
- lumlums

Ok so you only read from where your page refreshes. Got it.

Bringing in Kadri, Kessel, Gardiner, Lupul, JVR, Phaneuf means a heck of a lot more than a couple of buyouts.

Oh hey I agree that being a coach or GM for a professional sports franchise is a precarious (good dumlum?) position. Yet the good ones last for long periods of time.
- honesthockey

Long periods of time like Ken Holland and Lou Lamoriello, or long periods of time like Glen Sather or Darcy Regier?

Bringing in Kadri, Kessel, Gardiner, Lupul, JVR, Phaneuf means a heck of a lot more than a couple of buyouts.
- RogerRoeper

List of Leaf players drafted by Burke in the NHL:

Nazem Kadri

Ok so you only read from where your page refreshes. Got it.
- honesthockey

Great deflection.


I would confidently say that out of the two of us, one is really missing the point here.

Heads up: it isn't me

Long periods of time like Ken Holland and Lou Lamoriello, or long periods of time like Glen Sather or Darcy Regier?
- Zezel

I'll give you Regier. The others are multiple cup winners.

List of Leaf players drafted by Burke in the NHL:

Nazem Kadri
- honesthockey

You might want to wait a little longer since many haven't had the chance to get to the NHL yet.

He first draft was in 2009'. He takes a long time to judge that.

Do we look at JFJ's drafting the same now as a few years ago? No.