So with that being said...who was their targetted starter? What was in their opinion the Nucks plan for a starter?
- Colin Dambrauskas

They expected a trade. Lebrun ,McKenzie, and Friedman came out directly after the Canucks were outed and said don't be surprised if the Canucks get rid of both. They never said there was a trade on the table but they said don't be surprised.

If Lu gets traded you can p/u Bryz for 2 mil as a back up.

They expected a trade. Lebrun ,McKenzie, and Friedman came out directly after the Canucks were outed and said don't be surprised if the Canucks get rid of both. They never said there was a trade on the table but they said don't be surprised.

If Lu gets traded you can p/u Bryz for 2 mil as a back up
- VANTEL

Thing is, now that the Leafs no longer need him...who else could take him on? Unless of course you get into the "Reimer will be traded" debate people are having in which case a Reimer for Luongo break outs

Thing is, now that the Leafs no longer need him...who else could take him on? Unless of course you get into the "Reimer will be traded" debate people are having in which case a Reimer for Luongo break outs
- Colin Dambrauskas

Lu Tanev and Edler for MAF Neal and Engelland. Same money in and out

Lu Tanev and Edler for MAF Neal and Engelland. Same money in and out
- VANTEL

Dont think they entertain moving Neal tho...but I could see it as a framework

We all must hope Lack reaches his potential.

Edit. Plus Luongo can go f*ck himself, 29 teams didn't want him and the Canucks are giving him an opportunity to go for a cup, and collect massive pay cheques. F*ckin p*ssy.
- Boinker

I don't think teams were passing up his skill level...just the contract... so to say 29 other teams did not want him is untrue...

Lu Tanev and Edler for MAF Neal and Engelland. Same money in and out
- VANTEL

just that easy eh

just that easy eh
- vancity787

Never easy.

The thing the Pens have to look at is they have Sid and Gino locked up for 7 + years . They have one of the best offenses in the league and their goalies suck. There is no star goalie that any team is going to let go except the Canucks.

If pens want to go after a cup then need someone who wont let in 7 a night. I think the pens will be looking at this goalie thing very closely this year.I can see a Lu for MAF swap.

Never easy.

The thing the Pens have to look at is they have Sid and Gino locked up for 7 + years . They have one of the best offenses in the league and their goalies suck. There is no star goalie that any team is going to let go except the Canucks.

If pens want to go after a cup then need someone who wont let in 7 a night. I think the pens will be looking at this goalie thing very closely this year.I can see a Lu for MAF swap.
- VANTEL

Luongo let in 8

Never easy.

The thing the Pens have to look at is they have Sid and Gino locked up for 7 + years . They have one of the best offenses in the league and their goalies suck. There is no star goalie that any team is going to let go except the Canucks.

If pens want to go after a cup then need someone who wont let in 7 a night. I think the pens will be looking at this goalie thing very closely this year.I can see a Lu for MAF swap.
- VANTEL

Luongo let in 8
- vancity787

beat me to it

yeah I edited that..dont feel like debating goalies right now ...Lack as your starter could be terrible given he has (0) NHL games under his belt.
- Colin Dambrauskas

It might be bad...but no one really knows that because it hasn't happened thankfully...every goaltender has to start somewhere...most are not going to light the world on fire but i remember guys like labarbera and hell...even cloutier being the starter with a great team ahead of him...i would actually prefer to have a middle of the road goaltender with a good system in place...i'm not guaranteeing that torts will definitely put a great system in place...but it probably wont be that bad for a goaltender...hell look at lundqvist in new york...i fear his numbers will drop with AV there...i dont think you need ELITE goaltending to be successful and i think niemi and crawford on chicago both have proven that you dont need to be elite to win a cup...just very decent...and no i'm not comparing lack to either of those guys...but we really dont know...plus they did sign Joacim Eriksson...who is supposed to be pretty darn good...so i'm really not worried yet...but those are pretty scary tweets to say the least

Potential wise I think he's the worst. This is the season I would much much rather gives every single player in the AHL a game to see if they can compete in the NHL.
- manvanfan

So, how would you manage that? Which guy would sit in the press box instead of playing and developing further? None of the guys in the AHL are going to take a spot from Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Garrison, Tanev or likely Corrado and possibly Weber. So two of those guys would need to be injured before a call up would play and if someone gets injured in practice on a game day, you're screwed because Utica is a bazillion miles away from Vancouver. This team needs to carry 8 NHL capable dmen, I'm sure there will be call ups throughout the season, but Alberts does his job well enough for 12-15 minutes per game, +/- 30 games per season.

If lou ends up splitting. Gillis' head is gone after getting rid of schneider for practically nothing.
- vancity787

Not at all. That was ownership's decision. Can't blame Gillis.

Lu wants a new address but will honor his contract this year. His want to be the #1 on team Canada is the driving force. Gillis is still looking for a trade behind the scenes but it won't be a distraction once hockey starts.

The Luongo interview with Duthie is on TSN today at 6 I think . I don't blame him at all for wanting out but he did veto a few offers so what can I say.
- VANTEL

If Luongo plays lights out this season they might actually find a trade partner this summer. One less year on his contract, $6.7M less to pay, less potential recapture for the team that acquires him.

Not at all. That was ownership's decision. Can't blame Gillis.
- KB3Point0

Any proof of that? He has made some boneheaded statements that could have cost him his job...

Lu Tanev and Edler for MAF Neal and Engelland. Same money in and out
- VANTEL

Only if we bought out MAF.

Any proof of that? He has made some boneheaded statements that could have cost him his job...
- annoyance_101

Only reports from every respected journalist who said Gillis asked ownership to buyout Luongo and they said no.

What boneheaded statements has he made that should cost him his job?

Never easy.

The thing the Pens have to look at is they have Sid and Gino locked up for 7 + years . They have one of the best offenses in the league and their goalies suck. There is no star goalie that any team is going to let go except the Canucks.

If pens want to go after a cup then need someone who wont let in 7 a night. I think the pens will be looking at this goalie thing very closely this year.I can see a Lu for MAF swap.
- VANTEL

Absolutely. With one more chance at buying out players coming up next summer there wasn't as much pressure to get rid of guys like MAF this year. They could afford to give him one more chance (same with other teams and their goalies).

Undoubtedly there will be a few goalies who fall on their faces again and Luongo will start to look like a more viable option IF he has a good year this year. Tonnes of motivation for Luongo to have an outstanding year this year. A long playoff run would sure make him pretty appealing to a few teams.

Only reports from every respected journalist who said Gillis asked ownership to buyout Luongo and they said no.

What boneheaded statements has he made that should cost him his job?
- KB3Point0

http://www.vancouversun.c...Gillis/6512641/story.html a lot of what he said here was just hilarious...

Not that the last thing he said would have cost him his job...i think he made a good trade when it came to that...but the very last thing he said was "you can't get players like Zack in a trade" uhhh is that how he got him "in a trade" because you can't get him in 1?

Comments on AV, a year after that quote there of his, he fired him... he flip flops far too often

oh and at the end of this past season, when asked if luongo would be in a canucks jersey this coming season...he said it was unlikely...that situation alone should have cost him his job...management did not force him to say it was unlikely, he could have said something like we'll have to wait and see or i'm not sure as of yet...not something that gives luongo the impression that he'll have his wish granted and he'll be traded...i have to imagine how tense that situation will be for the whole team even if luongos a great teammate, which he does seem to be...its quite apparent he's not happy with gillis

We all must hope Lack reaches his potential.

Edit. Plus Luongo can go f*ck himself, 29 teams didn't want him and the Canucks are giving him an opportunity to go for a cup, and collect massive pay cheques. F*ckin p*ssy.
- Boinker

Frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of the woe-is-me-isms coming from the Luongo camp. With his glib tweets and now this interview, it's getting a tad stale. Don't get me wrong, I like Luongo and think he handled this whole fiasco with class. However, it's continuing to be a distraction and that is the last thing this team needs.

The bottom line is, this is a BUSINESS - more so than it has ever been, due to the ridiculous amounts of money involved. Unfortunately the business dictates that, in essence, players are commodities. At the other end of the spectrum, though, there are only a few occasions where a player feels loyalty to a team and thus allows that to be a factor in negotiations with said team. In other words, one very rarely sees personal feelings or factors being an issue from either side.

The bottom line is, Luongo has 40 million reasons to be thankful he is playing a boy's game and should/should've just kept quiet and focused on getting ready for camp and the new season (especially if any of the rumours that he turned down offers to be moved are true)

Just me $.02

Frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of the woe-is-me-isms coming from the Luongo camp. With his glib tweets and now this interview, it's getting a tad stale. Don't get me wrong, I like Luongo and think he handled this whole fiasco with class. However, it's continuing to be a distraction and that is the last thing this team needs.

The bottom line is, this is a BUSINESS - more so than it has ever been, due to the ridiculous amounts of money involved. Unfortunately the business dictates that, in essence, players are commodities. At the other end of the spectrum, though, there are only a few occasions where a player feels loyalty to a team and thus allows that to be a factor in negotiations with said team. In other words, one very rarely sees personal feelings or factors being an issue from either side.

The bottom line is, Luongo has 40 million reasons to be thankful he is playing a boy's game and should/should've just kept quiet and focused on getting ready for camp and the new season (especially if any of the rumours that he turned down offers to be moved are true)

Just me $.02
- Zogg

I'd much rather see Luongo on OTR with Michael Landsberg, more opportunity for conflict and asking tough questions. The bit tonight with JD is going to be total left wing liberal hippy fluff, likely with a poem or two.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Canuck+Cody+Hodgson+complainer+didn+want+here+says+Mike+Gillis/6512641/story.html a lot of what he said here was just hilarious...

Not that the last thing he said would have cost him his job...i think he made a good trade when it came to that...but the very last thing he said was "you can't get players like Zack in a trade" uhhh is that how he got him "in a trade" because you can't get him in 1?
- annoyance_101

You misquoted him. What he said was: "Zack is a commodity that is impossible to get if we develop him and make him into the player we think he can be."

They have high expectations for the type of player Zack can turn into. With his combination of size, toughness and skill he's absolutely right. IF they can develop him into the player they THINK he can be then no, that is not the type of player that is realistically available via trade (yes, any player is available for the right cost, but we're talking reality here). A player with Zack's potential might be available, but not a player who has fully developed into what they think he can be.

You misquoted him. What he said was: "Zack is a commodity that is impossible to get if we develop him and make him into the player we think he can be."

They have high expectations for the type of player Zack can turn into. With his combination of size, toughness and skill he's absolutely right. IF they can develop him into the player they THINK he can be then no, that is not the type of player that is realistically available via trade (yes, any player is available for the right cost, but we're talking reality here). A player with Zack's potential might be available, but not a player who has fully developed into what they think he can be.
- KB3Point0

at 2:25 of that video "you can't get them in a trade"

at 2:25 of that video "you can't get them in a trade"
- annoyance_101

He also said there were five or six (I forget) players he would have traded Cody for if they ever became available, and one did...

I think you're grasping at straws here.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Canuck+Cody+Hodgson+complainer+didn+want+here+says+Mike+Gillis/6512641/story.html a lot of what he said here was just hilarious...

Not that the last thing he said would have cost him his job...i think he made a good trade when it came to that...but the very last thing he said was "you can't get players like Zack in a trade" uhhh is that how he got him "in a trade" because you can't get him in 1?

Comments on AV, a year after that quote there of his, he fired him... he flip flops far too often

oh and at the end of this past season, when asked if luongo would be in a canucks jersey this coming season...he said it was unlikely...that situation alone should have cost him his job...management did not force him to say it was unlikely, he could have said something like we'll have to wait and see or i'm not sure as of yet...not something that gives luongo the impression that he'll have his wish granted and he'll be traded...i have to imagine how tense that situation will be for the whole team even if luongos a great teammate, which he does seem to be...its quite apparent he's not happy with gillis
- annoyance_101

On AV he absolutely did not flip flop. He praised AV even after he was let go. He just acknowledged it was time for a new voice in the room.

On Luongo, why should that have cost him his job exactly? Who cares if he said it was unlikely Luongo would be back? You don't think that Gillis and Luongo talked in private? You think they only spoke through the media? I'm sure Gillis had already told Luongo he would do his best to move him, which he did. It isn't Gillis' fault Luongo vetoed trades with the belief that Florida would step up and take him. Why would Luongo be unhappy with Gillis? He tried to trade him but couldn't. He had trade options that Luongo vetoed. He went to bat for him and asked ownership to buy him out, which they would not.

You can hate Gillis all you want. There are lots of reasons to hate Gillis. He's arrogant. He goes against the grain. He casts off an aura that he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. His neck hardly fits in his shirts. He tries new things which some of the old guard don't agree with.

Just get your facts straight when you rip him.