The same Ron Jaworski who ranked Flacco as the 4th best QB in the league?
- SimpleJack

The Polish Rifle

You can't be serious, I don't want to insult you but "do you watch hockey"?
- HawkfaninBC

I only watch the shifts that Sekera skates.

Eric Staal >>> Marcel Dionne

Two first line centres of approximate age and NHL tenure. How are we expected to make that comparison?
- 1979AD

sigh

1. What's wrong with the word getting?
2. Maybe I just look for different things in a captain. And again, it's my opinion, we don;t have to agree.
- sambarugh

Yeah, ya know, things other than winning........like losing? Is that what u look for in ur Captains?

sigh
- Crimsoninja

Seriously, do you value the strong leader, 2-way player with better than average offensive skills to build your team around, or the pure scoring machine?

It's really a fair comparison. Why you can't get that is mind-boggling.

Seriously, do you value the strong leader, 2-way player with better than average offensive skills to build your team around, or the pure scoring machine?

It's really a fair comparison. Why you can't get that is mind-boggling.
- 1979AD

It'll be okay little buddy...

It'll be okay little buddy...
- whipper334

sigh

sigh
- Crimsoninja

the more i visit here the more i realize everyone is stupid...

Seriously, do you value the strong leader, 2-way player with better than average offensive skills to build your team around, or the pure scoring machine?

It's really a fair comparison. Why you can't get that is mind-boggling.
- 1979AD

a fair comparison would be comparing two similar players.. ie two 2-way players

otherwise it becomes an argument about - as you put it - what type of player individual posters "value" more.

Bergeron or Toews?

a fair comparison would be comparing two similar players.. ie two 2-way players

otherwise it becomes an argument about - as you put it - what type of player individual posters "value" more.
- Crimsoninja

It actually is exactly that. From the blog which spawned these comments:

"We're going to ask you, the readers, to make a one-or-the-other choice: If you were starting an NHL team and somehow found yourself the choice between either Toews or Stamkos as your first signing -- passing up the other one in the process -- which one would you with? Would you go for Stamkos' prolific scoring? Or would you go for Toews' somewhat more well-rounded game?"

Bergeron or Toews?
- BingoLady

Bozak.

Anze Kopitar >>> Peter Stastney

It actually is exactly that. From the blog which spawned these comments:

"We're going to ask you, the readers, to make a one-or-the-other choice: If you were starting an NHL team and somehow found yourself the choice between either Toews or Stamkos as your first signing -- passing up the other one in the process -- which one would you with? Would you go for Stamkos' prolific scoring? Or would you go for Toews' somewhat more well-rounded game?"
- 1979AD

hence why i feel the argument is essentially a circle jerk

its not comparing players. its comparing styles - and which one posters think is more valuable.

why even mention Toews or Stamkos? The argument is two-way leader vs elite goal scorer.

you see my point?

Bergeron or Toews?
- BingoLady

Exactly, better comparison.

hence why i feel the argument is essentially a circle jerk

its not comparing players. its comparing styles - and which one posters think is more valuable.

why even mention Toews or Stamkos? The argument is two-way leader vs elite goal scorer.

you see my point?
- Crimsoninja

I don't mind it... I look at it from a value perspective, and if I were a GM would I trade one for the other etc etc. I don't care about positions (that's what she said) or stuff like that.

hence why i feel the argument is essentially a circle jerk

its not comparing players. its comparing styles - and which one posters think is more valuable.

why even mention Toews or Stamkos? The argument is two-way leader vs elite goal scorer.

you see my point?
- Crimsoninja

Yes, I get that. But the level at which each player plays is also a factor. Eg. If you were forced to choose between Stamkos and a 1st line 2-way C like Bergeron or O'Reilly or Bozak, it becomes a much easier decision, doesn't it? (Bozak wins hands down)

No matter what the player's style of play, they all have a chance of ultimately being compared against everyone else. Some people say Gretzky is the best forward of all time, others will tell you it's Gordie.

The better question is, who would you prefer (in their prime), Toews or Datsyuk

the more i visit here the more i realize everyone is stupid...
- Flyfreaky

Exactly, better comparison.
- whipper334

If this blog was about comparing 2-way C's that would definitely be a much better comparison.

Anze Kopitar >>> Peter Stastney
- laughs2907

Bear Grylls or Steve Irwin?

Yes, I get that. But the level at which each player plays is also a factor. Eg. If you were forced to choose between Stamkos and a 1st line 2-way C like Bergeron or O'Reilly or Bozak, it becomes a much easier decision, doesn't it? (Bozak wins hands down)

No matter what the player's style of play, they all have a chance of ultimately being compared against everyone else. Some people say Gretzky is the best forward of all time, others will tell you it's Gordie.
- 1979AD

Agrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddddddddddddddddd

We all have to remember a few things:

1. The question is who do you choose to build a team around. When I build a team, I want to win the cup, not just score goals and concede just as many.

Pick: Toews, he who has won. Won everywhere.

2. Toews offense is very, very underrated. His game is so complete, that he always makes sure he is playing a 2-way game so that the other team
Doesn't have a chance to score that he sacrifices his offense. Like I said, Toews has great offensive skills.

Pick: Toews

Exactly, better comparison.
- whipper334

bowie or jagger?