Wow. Basically described Toews who is amazing on his skates. Skates amazing every direction.

But like I said, those attributes are debatable.

My question earlier was name Stamkos' great attributes without naming offense.

Crickets, crickets.



Toews has offense, defense, leadership, plus/minus, faceoffs etc etc.

Every a question is asked about Stamkos it's always the same response just in different words. He has more points.

This blog isn't about points.
- robhawks

i think stamkos is a much better skater.

and i even said in my post that stamkos doesn't have the selke like defensive ability right now. but it's not like he's phil kessel in his own end either. and with the work he puts in off the ice, i'm sure that will improve on the ice.

DUDE, he scored 60 goals;
60 goals and 96 pts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32 goals 76 pts

its not even close PT wise, sometimes, assists are really overvalued.
- Danformo

Wait, what? Assists are overvalued? Don't assists essentially mean goals?

look at the teams hes had,
if you had them switch teams all of Toews numbers would decrease,

but Stammers would increase
- Danformo

that's pure speculation. So you're assuming Toews won't take more of a scoring role, and Stamkos won't defer to teammates if he was on the Hawks?


Assumptions aren't facts.

There are players that are great, and there are players that make the players around them better players.

There are players that are great, and there are players that make the players around them better players.
- howiehandles

and?

i think stamkos is a much better skater.

and i even said in my post that stamkos doesn't have the selke like defensive ability right now. but it's not like he's phil kessel in his own end either. and with the work he puts in off the ice, i'm sure that will improve on the ice.
- Fountain-San

That's fair.

But like I've been saying for pages now. Toews doesn't really have anything he needs to work on.

Hence, the choice is clear.

That's fair.

But like I've been saying for pages now. Toews doesn't really have anything he needs to work on.

Hence, the choice is clear.
- robhawks

not to me.

Put it this way

Datsyuk, Bergeron, Toews same class

Stamkos, Crosby and sometimes Ovi are the only ones with that goal scoring capability

Put it this way

Datsyuk, Bergeron, Toews same class

Stamkos, Crosby and sometimes Ovi are the only ones with that goal scoring capability
- Danformo

to me this is the answer to why most cup winners aren't built around pure goal scoring talent.

it doesn't exist.

Why is it difficult to grasp that some "abilities" or "intangibles" are much more important than others? Goal scoring is 100x as important as winning a faceoff and until you realize that there's no point going any further. Having intangibles is a fancy way of saying you do all the little things very well, things that make you an all around good player. Being an elite goal scorer is what makes you a superstar and league MVP. See the difference between intangibles (the little things) and goal scoring (the big thing) ??
- sbroads24

Because most of the people who vote don't understand the game. Just like for the Smythe. It's always about points.

Not nearly enough about the work, sacrifice, hockey sense, faceoff wins, killed penalties, etc that make points possible. And yes, the guy who delivers all of the above including points IS the most valuable player, even if the sheep who vote don't get it.

By that same logic, Alex Mogilny and Rob Brown had years where they should have been in consideration for the Hart. Jiminy Freakin' Christmas.

Which is why I will take a Steve Yzerman, Pavel Datsyuk, Mark Messier or Jonathan Toews to start my team any day.

People can say what they want about Mike Babcock's credibility. Just know, that says something about theirs.

Because most of the people who vote don't understand the game. Just like for the Smythe. It's always about points.

Not nearly enough about the work, sacrifice, hockey sense, faceoff wins, killed penalties, etc that make points possible. And yes, the guy who delivers all of the above including points IS the most valuable player, even if the sheep who vote don't get it.

By that same logic, Alex Mogilny and Rob Brown had years where they should have been in consideration for the Hart. Jiminy Freakin' Christmas.

Which is why I will take a Steve Yzerman, Pavel Datsyuk, Mark Messier or Jonathan Toews to start my team any day.

People can say what they want about Mike Babcock's credibility. Just know, that says something about theirs.
- John Jaeckel

Thank you JJ. It's the players who give you every hockey aspect at elite level. I can hear the homer calls now.

Put it this way

Datsyuk, Bergeron, Toews same class

Stamkos, Crosby and sometimes Ovi are the only ones with that goal scoring capability
- Danformo

Crosby is a bit of both lists. That's why to me he is the best. Toews next because Crosby is crazy on offense plus many other things. Considering Toews might be Canada's captain really says a lot.

Because most of the people who vote don't understand the game. Just like for the Smythe. It's always about points.

Not nearly enough about the work, sacrifice, hockey sense, faceoff wins, killed penalties, etc that make points possible. And yes, the guy who delivers all of the above including points IS the most valuable player, even if the sheep who vote don't get it.

By that same logic, Alex Mogilny and Rob Brown had years where they should have been in consideration for the Hart. Jiminy Freakin' Christmas.

Which is why I will take a Steve Yzerman, Pavel Datsyuk, Mark Messier or Jonathan Toews to start my team any day.

People can say what they want about Mike Babcock's credibility. Just know, that says something about theirs.
- John Jaeckel

if the Smythe is all about points why do goalies win it most of the time? and did Kane not deserve it? and all of the players you choose to start your team are great choices for sure. but stamkos isn't? he's above the points argument. he's an exceptional talent. and i think most people realize rob brown only produced what he did because he skated with lemieux.
and what qualifications do you have to say that the NHL hockey writers are all sheep that don't know what they are talking about?

if the Smythe is all about points why do goalies win it most of the time? and did Kane not deserve it? and all of the players you choose to start your team are great choices for sure. but stamkos isn't? he's above the points argument. he's an exceptional talent. and i think most people realize rob brown only produced what he did because he skated with lemieux.
and what qualifications do you have to say that the NHL hockey writers are all sheep that don't know what they are talking about?
- Fountain-San

He didn't say stamkos wasn't a guy you could build a team around, he just said that given a choice, he'd take the more well rounded contributor versus the guy that is a pure scorer. Chill, dude. It's just a choice and it doesn't render your choice less valid.

He didn't say stamkos wasn't a guy you could build a team around, he just said that given a choice, he'd take the more well rounded contributor versus the guy that is a pure scorer. Chill, dude. It's just a choice and it doesn't render your choice less valid.
- DirkGraham

i'm fine.

it's again the JJ knows more than the average guy stuff.

Because most of the people who vote don't understand the game. Just like for the Smythe. It's always about points.

Not nearly enough about the work, sacrifice, hockey sense, faceoff wins, killed penalties, etc that make points possible. And yes, the guy who delivers all of the above including points IS the most valuable player, even if the sheep who vote don't get it.

By that same logic, Alex Mogilny and Rob Brown had years where they should have been in consideration for the Hart. Jiminy Freakin' Christmas.

Which is why I will take a Steve Yzerman, Pavel Datsyuk, Mark Messier or Jonathan Toews to start my team any day.

People can say what they want about Mike Babcock's credibility. Just know, that says something about theirs.
- John Jaeckel

so what you are saying is that stamkos can only score goals? because if thats what youre saying (and it sounds like it) then you sound like one of those sheep

so what you are saying is that stamkos can only score goals? because if thats what youre saying (and it sounds like it) then you sound like one of those sheep
- RileyB77

Yes that's what they are saying, which they are wrong.

how old is toews??25?

ill write down what stamkos has accomplished by age 25 and which aspects he excels at at 25 and get back to you on this one,

i am terrified to see what this guy can do in his prime...it is going to be a nightmare for everyone in the east >:]

if marty puts up the same point production this upcoming season as he did the previous season i see stamkos going 65 goals

at age 23

if the Smythe is all about points why do goalies win it most of the time? and did Kane not deserve it? and all of the players you choose to start your team are great choices for sure. but stamkos isn't? he's above the points argument. he's an exceptional talent. and i think most people realize rob brown only produced what he did because he skated with lemieux.
and what qualifications do you have to say that the NHL hockey writers are all sheep that don't know what they are talking about?
- Fountain-San

Ovechkin getting voted on the All-NHL teams at 2 different positions. It's pretty clear they don't watch everything. Not that its possible to with the work they have to do, but many hockey writers eventually move on to cover something else, or started out covering something else. IDK who gets to vote in Chicago, but if Chris Kuc, the Trib guy, does, then it backs up anyone saying the voters for that stuff are definitely flawed.

Because most of the people who vote don't understand the game. Just like for the Smythe. It's always about points.

Not nearly enough about the work, sacrifice, hockey sense, faceoff wins, killed penalties, etc that make points possible. And yes, the guy who delivers all of the above including points IS the most valuable player, even if the sheep who vote don't get it.

By that same logic, Alex Mogilny and Rob Brown had years where they should have been in consideration for the Hart. Jiminy Freakin' Christmas.

Which is why I will take a Steve Yzerman, Pavel Datsyuk, Mark Messier or Jonathan Toews to start my team any day.

People can say what they want about Mike Babcock's credibility. Just know, that says something about theirs.
- John Jaeckel

this is rediculous, there are actually nhl.com writers who are ex NHL coaches.....you blog on a website about hockey what right do you have to call them sheep rofl

Ovechkin getting voted on the All-NHL teams at 2 different positions. It's pretty clear they don't watch everything. Not that its possible to with the work they have to do, but many hockey writers eventually move on to cover something else, or started out covering something else. IDK who gets to vote in Chicago, but if Chris Kuc, the Trib guy, does, then it backs up anyone saying the voters for that stuff are definitely flawed.
- rollpards19

i'm sure there are examples of this. but i just want to know what JJ's qualifications are to call these people sheep that don't understand hockey? most of them certainly do.

i'm sure there are examples of this. but i just want to know what JJ's qualifications are to call these people sheep that don't understand hockey? most of them certainly do.
- Fountain-San

a background in advertisement and reporting

a background in advertisement and reporting
- RileyB77

it's maddening, isn't it?

I had a limited, but strict journalistic background before joining HB in 2009 (thanks Ek) and an extensive professional writing background (advertising mostly).


....a limited journalistic background lol....and professional advertisement