Why? because the game has evolved so much that the greatest coach ever wouldn't be able to figure it out?

If Bowman announced that he wanted to coach again, owners and GM's would be tripping over themselves to get him under contract.
- fiveandagame

Totally disagree. Ever watch games from 20-30 years ago? Totally different games, different rules, no real focus on systems. You can't take someone from a different era of coaching and assume he can relate to the players the same and be able to coach at the same level. Look how different coaches can't replicate success from one team to another. There's no guarantee he'd be successful.

Quick question...

If I have a choice for a better processor (Intel i5 vs i7) or 8gb RAM vs 12gb RAM, what should I go for?
- As_I_See_It

Processor depending what you're using it for. I love the i5, but I do have it overclocked

In a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately scenario looking at Tip and Tort record over the last four years (since Tip took over PHX), Tip has amassed 354 points and Torts has amassed 345 points. Tip has been to the playoffs 3 times with 1 WCF appearance and 2 first round losses. Torts has been to the playoffs 3 times with 1 ECF appearance, 1 first round loss, and 1 second round loss. Tip has won an Adams. Torts has not. Neither has won, or played for, a Cup. Since the stats are so close, I would give the nod to Tip due to having a less talented roster and the Adams.

I think this has the potential to blow up like keenans tenure in Vancouver. Two pig headedguys in gGillis and Torts who have very different styles of hockey they prefer along with very short fuses. I can't wait
- Isles_since_6

Gillis has a short fuse??? Have you not paid attention to his tenure in Vancouver? And pig headed to boot? The guy builds the team and lets his coach do the coaching. This is not Brian Burke and Mike Keenan.

You have Phx over Ana in ur pacific group, but Ana over Phx in total?? How does that math work out?
- Doaner19

Each day Ian's ranked a different aspect of each team. Total is the combined rankings.

I love how you say... Oilers coaching is unpredictable = 7th , Canucks coaching is unpredictable = 3rd
- DarcyTucker16

Experienced and unpredictable > inexperienced and unpredictable

Totally disagree. Ever watch games from 20-30 years ago? Totally different games, different rules, no real focus on systems. You can't take someone from a different era of coaching and assume he can relate to the players the same and be able to coach at the same level. Look how different coaches can't replicate success from one team to another. There's no guarantee he'd be successful.
- Isles_since_6

No guarantee but I would still roll the dice. I agree the game has changed in the last 20 years but if we are talking about Bowman, he is still actively involved in the NHL and still watches a lot of games. He still analyses the game and I bet he has a few ideas on how to coach today's game.

Gillis has a short fuse??? Have you not paid attention to his tenure in Vancouver? And pig headed to boot? The guy builds the team and lets his coach do the coaching. This is not Brian Burke and Mike Keenan.
- KB3Point0

respectfully, I completely disagree with you. I live here, I watch the games, I see the news. I see it as V2.0

Are you trying to say Gillis is even keel and patient?

Burke is the best goaltender coach in the league. Tippett's system or not. Look how Bryz turned out after he left PHX, and how Smith did once he got there.

But seriously Ian, don't you think you're giving Torts a little too much credit? I think the players won that Cup in TB, because look at the talent he had in NY, and couldn't get them to a final.
- Desert_Dog

Agree entirely on Burke. Best goalie coach in hockey.

I guess the Sharks coaching staff should be dropped a little lower too for not making the finals eh?

No guarantee but I would still roll the dice. I agree the game has changed in the last 20 years but if we are talking about Bowman, he is still actively involved in the NHL and still watches a lot of games. He still analyses the game and I bet he has a few ideas on how to coach today's game.
- fiveandagame

that's the point, there is no guarantee he could coach in this era. For the reasons I listed I imagine someone would give him a job, but I'd question it and be watching to see what happened.

for the record, I do think he'd be a better coach than the Isles current yes man. Not a fan of Capuano either.

Each day Ian's ranked a different aspect of each team. Total is the combined rankings.
- KB3Point0

plus it's all subjective and with a heavy Vancouver slant to it, which is Ian's right as it's his opinion. I disagree with a lot of it, but it's at least interesting discussion.

respectfully, I completely disagree with you. I live here, I watch the games, I see the news. I see it as V2.0

Are you trying to say Gillis is even keel and patient?
- Isles_since_6

The complaint around here tends to be that he's too patient. He takes too long to analyze things and doesn't base things off of emotional response enough. So yes, I would say he's very patient and doesn't let emotion cloud his actions.

Can you provide an example of Gillis being too emotional or not patient enough? Cause I can provide far too many examples of him being extremely patient.

that's the point, there is no guarantee he could coach in this era. For the reasons I listed I imagine someone would give him a job, but I'd question it and be watching to see what happened.

for the record, I do think he'd be a better coach than the Isles current yes man. Not a fan of Capuano either.
- Isles_since_6

Every new coach regardless of their resume will be a bit of question mark. How they deal with a whole new roster, a whole new city and a whole new management team.

For myself, this is the reason why I am excited for this years season. Since 1999, the Canucks have been coached by either Marc Crawford or AV. The fans knew exactly what they were getting from both those guys after a year and half in. With Torts there is this big wild card in play now and I can't wait to see how it unfolds.

tippett needs to be higher. i'd even put boudreau above torts...torts just got fired and boudreau led his team to the top of the conference last season which literally no one saw coming.
- rangerdanger94

Boudreau was fired pretty recently too. All coaches get fired (except Mike Babcock).

Every new coach regardless of their resume will be a bit of question mark. How the deal with a whole new roster, a whole new city and a whole new management team.

For myself, this is the reason why I am excited for this years season. Since 1999, the Canucks have been coached by either Marc Crawford or AV. The fans knew exactly what they were getting from both those guys after a year and half in. With Torts there is this big wild card in play now and I can't wait to see how it unfolds.
- fiveandagame

I really like your assistant coaches. I've watched so many Rangers games over the last 4-5 years that I have a much lower expectation of how well Torts is going to fit in here and how the team is going to respond to him. If I'm wrong, you'll all be happy as hell. If I'm right, well, I'll probably be banned again anyway.

Agree 100%. Tippett should be first or second and Torts is way too low. Couldn't do anything with a stacked roster and the best goalie in the world in NY.
- duxcup07

It isn't a ranking of individual coaches, it's a ranking of coaching staffs.

Processor depending what you're using it for. I love the i5, but I do have it overclocked
- Isles_since_6

Thanks for the feedback

Depends on what you use it for. If you are only going to use 4 gb of RAM then 8gb would be plenty and you wouldn't have to spend the extra money on the 12bg.
- fiveandagame

True, both are probably a little much for my current daily use, but I'm also thinking of a few years down the road.

I really like your assistant coaches. I've watched so many Rangers games over the last 4-5 years that I have a much lower expectation of how well Torts is going to fit in here and how the team is going to respond to him. If I'm wrong, you'll all be happy as hell. If I'm right, well, I'll probably be banned again anyway.
- Isles_since_6

I'm very interested to see Gulutzan. I am not not very familiar with him but I know there were a lot of Canuck fans that really liked him and wanted him to be the head coach, so the fact that we got him as an assistant looks like a very positive thing.

True, both are probably a little much for my current daily use, but I'm also thinking of a few years down the road.
- As_I_See_It

Yeah, downloaded porn really stacks up fast. Go with the bigger one.

Individually I would rank the coaches in the division as follows:

Best Coach: McLellan
Best Assistant: Robinson
Best Goalie Coach: Burke

The complaint around here tends to be that he's too patient. He takes too long to analyze things and doesn't base things off of emotional response enough. So yes, I would say he's very patient and doesn't let emotion cloud his actions.

Can you provide an example of Gillis being too emotional or not patient enough? Cause I can provide far too many examples of him being extremely patient.
- KB3Point0

I think you've misunderstood my post. Gillis is pigheaded in that he's inflexible when he's made up his mind on something, even when it's not working. He's got a short fuse which has come up and been easy to see in several press conferences and interviews.

He's also very critical of how Torts coached in New York, which is fairly interesting given he's hired him, and now seems to expect him to coach a different style.

Torts has shown no patience with media, blown up at reporters, called out players and generally looked like an ass.

Even Richards has been quoted as saying his relationship with Torts is not what it used to be.

He's said all the right things so far, but I'm really interested to see how he deals with adversity in a new setting, with a boss who's job may be on the line as early as this season, and who doesn't want a sideshow.

If Scotty Bowman wanted to return to behind the bench would his coaching be in question because he hasn't won a cup since 2002?
- fiveandagame

that's different...torts has shown he already can't (or rather, chooses not to or hasn't, yet) adjust the last 4 years in new york. he played an extremely outdated style, and again, from reports...the players "quit on him" and he told the GM to fire him if he doesn't like his philosophy and system because he wasn't going to change it as long as he was behind the bench in NY.

ranking the entire coaching staff is difficult because admittedly, i don't know half of the guys that are assistant coaches and even the names i'm familiar with, i have no idea what exactly they do behind the benches. all i know is that tippett is a better head coach than torts, and i'd personally pick boudreau over torts too.

taking the assistant coaches out of the equation...how would you rank the coaches in the division based strictly on the head coach itself?

that's different...torts has shown he already can't (or rather, chooses not to or hasn't, yet) adjust the last 4 years in new york. he played an extremely outdated style, and again, from reports...the players "quit on him" and he told the GM to fire him if he doesn't like his philosophy and system because he wasn't going to change it as long as he was behind the bench in NY.

ranking the entire coaching staff is difficult because admittedly, i don't know half of the guys that are assistant coaches and even the names i'm familiar with, i have no idea what exactly they do behind the benches. all i know is that tippett is a better head coach than torts, and i'd personally pick boudreau over torts too.

taking the assistant coaches out of the equation...how would you rank the coaches in the division based strictly on the head coach itself?
- rangerdanger94

Honestly, based purely on past performance going into this season I would probably go

1. Tippett - does more with less.
2. Sutter - Took Calgary to final, took LA over the top.
3. Boudreau - Took Anaheim from the cellar to the top of west
4. Torts - has a cup a Adams and his teams are competative
5. McLelland - SJ has been a contender pretty much since he has been there
6. Hartley - has a cup but last HC job was a bit of a gong show
7. Eakins - could be great, no NHL experience.

Honestly, based purely on past performance going into this season I would probably go

1. Tippett
2. Sutter
3. Boudreau
4. Torts
5. McLelland
6. Hartley
7. Eakins.
- fiveandagame

I can't find fault with that list, there's no NHL history to look at with Eakins so I'm fine with ranking him there using that criteria.

**I should clarify, I'd rank torts below mclelland mainly because the sharks have had some success under him, whereas Torts flamed out in New York and is coming into Vancouver trying to change his image. No idea how well that'll work out, so I'd drop him to 5th. Hartley can stay where he is, and Eakins has no NHL resume.