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flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Aug 15 @ 7:20 PM ET
I think the line of E.Staal - Getzlaf - Perry and Nash - Toews - Richards will be the same as the last one. They were strongest lines for Canada.
- SPIDEROCKSTAR


they were strong but also playing against weaker competition...top defenders drew the Crosby line. that is Canada's strength, depth
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 15 @ 7:22 PM ET
People forget just how close it was to Canada not even making it to the gold medal game against my Slovaks. It was 3-0 Canada in the 3rd, and the Slovaks pushed to make it 3-2. A shot off the crossbar by Demitra and an awesome save by Luongo in the dying seconds had Canada hold on for the win.

There is nothing close to a lock in this tournament. The best of the best, thats why international competitions like this are great. Halak has shown ab ability to carry a team.

In memory of Demitra, the golden generation gets its one last real shot.

Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Aug 15 @ 7:29 PM ET
Hall on the 1st line isn't going to happen
- flashfire

He would compliment that line nicely.

But, yes if there is the same old boys club that has happened in the past, the rookies will be relegated to the fourth line no matter if they are playing well at the time or not.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 15 @ 7:36 PM ET
He would compliment that line nicely.

But, yes if there is the same old boys club that has happened in the past, the rookies will be relegated to the fourth line no matter if they are playing well at the time or not.

- Oilhab


Not really cheering for Canada but to me putting an unproven guy like Hall on the first line is a complete homer move by Oiler fans, especially for a player who isn't too great in his own zone. Experience is huge in these extreme pressure competitions.

For canada I'd go:

Stamkos-Crosby-St. Louis
Nash-Toews-Tavares
Eric Staal-Bergeron-Giroux
Richards-Getzlaf-Lucic

Doughty-Weber
Keith-Seabrook
Boyle-Pietrangelo

Luongo
Price
Oilers42
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 06.14.2013

Aug 15 @ 7:40 PM ET
Hall on the 1st line isn't going to happen
- flashfire

It's lines no rankings and hall is still the best LW
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 15 @ 7:41 PM ET
It's lines no rankings and hall is still the best LW
- Oilers42


Who would you take out to put Hall into the top 12?

Kid hasnt even played a game in the playoffs, and needs work on his defensive game.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:41 PM ET
Americans are damn good team. On paper them and the swedes are close.
But theres no doubt canada will ice the best roster.
How it plays out in the ice is another story
Oilers42
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 06.14.2013

Aug 15 @ 7:48 PM ET
Not really cheering for Canada but to me putting an unproven guy like Hall on the first line is a complete homer move by Oiler fans, especially for a player who isn't too great in his own zone. Experience is huge in these extreme pressure competitions.

For canada I'd go:

Stamkos-Crosby-St. Louis
Nash-Toew-Tavares
Eric Staal-Bergeron-Giroux
Richards-Getzlaf-Lucic

Doughty-Weber
Keith-Seabrook
Boyle-Pietrangelo

Luongo
Price

- flyer_nutter

To slow not enough offense
Oilers42
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 06.14.2013

Aug 15 @ 7:49 PM ET
Who would you take out to put Hall into the top 12?

Kid hasnt even played a game in the playoffs, and needs work on his defensive game.

- flyer_nutter

Hall has 2memorial cup mvp titles
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 15 @ 7:52 PM ET
To slow not enough offense
- Oilers42


How much offense do you need?

Just me, but I think having some grit in that lineup is a good thing.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 15 @ 7:54 PM ET
Hall has 2memorial cup mvp titles
- Oilers42


No offense, and I will step away just for the sake of saving arguments, but thats blind homerism.

Hall is like a fart in a windstorm compared to many of the players that will be selected ahead of him. The Leafs used to overrate their players for years as well, that got them nowhere.
Not_Stee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You only say that because people aren't willing to pay more at your place to watch it in 3D...
Joined: 08.07.2013

Aug 15 @ 8:02 PM ET
To slow not enough offense
- Oilers42

While they may be slow, I may need to step in about offense...

Career highs in each category for said players in goals, assists, and points;

Richards - 31, 50, 80
Getzlaf - 25, 66, 91
Lucic - 30, 35, 62

Yeah... not enough offense.
Oilers42
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 06.14.2013

Aug 15 @ 8:03 PM ET
How much offense do you need?

Just me, but I think having some grit in that lineup is a good thing.

- flyer_nutter

I think it is good to have grit just not at the Olympic level when you try to take grit to an iihf event you just won't win
Oilers42
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 06.14.2013

Aug 15 @ 8:04 PM ET
While they may be slow, I may need to step in about offense...

Career highs in each category for said players in goals, assists, and points;

Richards - 31, 50, 80
Getzlaf - 25, 66, 91
Lucic - 30, 35, 62

Yeah... not enough offense.

- Not_Stee

Getzlaf can't skate and there is better options for all 3of them
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 15 @ 8:19 PM ET
No offense, and I will step away just for the sake of saving arguments, but thats blind homerism.

Hall is like a fart in a windstorm compared to many of the players that will be selected ahead of him. The Leafs used to overrate their players for years as well, that got them nowhere.

- flyer_nutter




Why would they bother inviting him?


I doubt it's to be a shutdown player.


RileyB77
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Canada
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 15 @ 8:19 PM ET
1.canada
2.russia
3.sweden
4.USA
Not_Stee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You only say that because people aren't willing to pay more at your place to watch it in 3D...
Joined: 08.07.2013

Aug 15 @ 8:20 PM ET
Why would they bother inviting him?


I doubt it's to be a shutdown player.

- robin_steele264

You ever see that Sparkles girl lately?
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 15 @ 8:26 PM ET
You ever see that Sparkles girl lately?
- Not_Stee




Not since we went out


flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:31 PM ET
Why would they bother inviting him?


I doubt it's to be a shutdown player.

- robin_steele264


I could be wrong but did they also not invite Kunitz?
StayTunedMTC
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA 2, ANA 1, CGY 1, SJ 0, VAN 0, PHX 0, EDM who cares
Joined: 08.02.2011

Aug 15 @ 8:32 PM ET
How presumptuous and a little narrow minded.

It could easily be Sweden vs Russia.

If you are talking Women's hockey.... sure, I would take that bet that Canada vs USA would probably be the Gold Medal game.... but in Mens? That's just putting the cart before the horse.

- Beatle_john

In Soviet Russia, cart pulls horse.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Aug 15 @ 8:33 PM ET
Sweden over Russia
StayTunedMTC
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA 2, ANA 1, CGY 1, SJ 0, VAN 0, PHX 0, EDM who cares
Joined: 08.02.2011

Aug 15 @ 8:37 PM ET
Ok, Canada should win on paper. No denying that.

With that said, I do like Team USA goal tending better. I think that should be a given. Team Canada has the better offense, easy. Defense, I would give a slight edge to Team USA, but it is fairly even and I wouldn't hate on a guy who says Team Canada's D is slightly better.

I will say this, and I may get hate for it. But I think Team USA has more guys on it that play a two way game than Team Canada has. Not by a huge margin, but I think it's definitely there. So if Team USA can get a lights out game from Quick (who will start, because I love the guy), solid D and a great two way game from the forwards, we will win.

The question, of course, is it possible to even stop Team Canada from dominating with their superior forward talent? Not likely.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 15 @ 8:41 PM ET
For canada I'd go:

Stamkos-Crosby-St. Louis
Bergeron-Tavares-Giroux
Hall-E. Staal-Benn
Ladd-Toews-J. Williams

Doughty-Weber
Garrison-Hamhuis
Subban-Pietrangelo

Luongo
Price
Jeffmt
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.11.2006

Aug 15 @ 8:42 PM ET
The US have 4 stronger options than Luongo and Crawford.

You could even argue that Gibson is a better goaltender.

Canada hasn't developped a great goaltender since Brodeur. Until they address that, they aren't likely to do anything in International tournaments.

- Pierre.McGuire


Hmm, you're right. It's a good thing they have an all-star team everywhere else on the ice. This isn't Jonathan Quick against the New Jersey Devils, he's going to be up against four lines that can score any time they're on the ice. I think you're going to be surprised.
benny948
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.15.2013

Aug 15 @ 8:43 PM ET
For canada I'd go:

Stamkos-Crosby-St. Louis
Bergeron-Tavares-Giroux
Hall-E. Staal-Benn
Ladd-Toews-J. Williams

Doughty-Weber
Garrison-Hamhuis
Subban-Pietrangelo

Luongo
Price

- kaptaan

I knew that you were a Canucks fan immediately upon reading that.
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