I think you're right, but Holmgren has shown in the past to lose patience with a player, and move him for a need. Like he did with JVR. But I don't think B Schenn is anywhere near that point.
- MJL

Agreed. The difference is Brayden Schenn has been here two seasons that total up just over one season of the amount of games played. We haven't even scratched the surface yet. JvR is a good example but the return was necessary.

Agreed. The difference is Brayden Schenn has been here two seasons that total up just over one season of the amount of games played. We haven't even scratched the surface yet. JvR is a good example but the return was necessary.
- dingo8urbaby

So we won't trade him until he becomes a locker room issue and refuses to participate in Dry Island.

Everything you say makes sense until the end. The rise in lower tier players salaries escapes me. With a cap that money is finite and can't expend without there being contraction elsewhere.
- mayorofangrytown

More job openings = increased demand for players = more competition between teams over the same pool of players = increased leverage for agents to get more $ for their clients.

Players that get sent down/loaned out/buried still won't count against the cap (up to the $950k threshold), so all those additional pro players on NHL contracts would represent costs "outside" of the cap that would likely get recaptured through escrow.

If the players have to bear the additional cost of expanding the number of available job openings, that's a big disincentive for them to push for increased membership even if it means a marginal increase in salaries at the bottom end.

I'm not sure anybody is interested in fiddling w/ the 50-limit, outside of GM's like Homer who continually bump up against it.

Where did you get this information from?
- MJL

I haven't read anything that says that there's a difference between how two-way NHL contracts and one-way NHL contracts are accounted for if they reside outside of the active NHL roster. In either case, the Flyers are still the responsible party on the SPC, and the cost of paying the player is still theirs to bear.

Has Ek acknowledged the Devils sale?

Has Ek acknowledged the Devils sale?
- flyguy12

no

I love me some Headwaters
- BulliesPhan87

I'm due to go back there soon.

Has Ek acknowledged the Devils sale?
- flyguy12

Devils sale is an E3.

Has Ek acknowledged the Devils sale?
- flyguy12

By Sixers tickets get 50% off Devils tickets

By Sixers tickets get 50% off Devils tickets
- ob18

Wait, when I had Flyers tickets and they owned the Sixers I got Sixers tickets for free.

I haven't read anything that says that there's a difference between how two-way NHL contracts and one-way NHL contracts are accounted for if they reside outside of the active NHL roster. In either case, the Flyers are still the responsible party on the SPC, and the cost of paying the player is still theirs to bear.
- Tomahawk

The overwhelming majority of players in the AHL, are on two way NHL contracts. They do not count against the players share while playing in the Minors. No differently then how players on one way contracts buried in the Minors didn't count in the past. Which was the whole genesis for the Wade Redden rule. The only players salaries that count towards the players share, are the totals carried on each team's NHL Cap. The comment above concerning escrow was also puzzling. Escrow is in place to ensure the 50/50 split. And it has zero to do with salaries paid to player while playing in the Minors.

And the salaries of an AHL team combined don't add up to much. One NHL player can be paid more then an entire AHL team is.

The overwhelming majority of players in the AHL, are on two way NHL contracts.
- MJL

It's closer to about 50% -- the rest are on AHL SPCs, PTO's, ATO's and ECHL loaners.

And don't forget, of that 50%, most are on two-way deals that pay only a fraction, so the aggregate cost to the parent club isn't all that significant unless we're talking about guys one one-way deals.

They do not count against the players share while playing in the Minors. No differently then how players on one way contracts buried in the Minors didn't count in the past. Which was the whole genesis for the Wade Redden rule. The only players salaries that count towards the players share, are the totals carried on each team's NHL Cap. The comment above concerning escrow was also puzzling. Escrow is in place to ensure the 50/50 split. And it has zero to do with salaries paid to player while playing in the Minors.
- MJL

The Wade Redden rule only prevents the scenario where a team gets cap savings for burying a guy. It doesn't explicitly say anything about the actual salary expenditure and how that's accounted for.

The Rangers were certainly the ones cutting Redden's checks while he was on the farm (Whale wouldn't be able to afford it), so that had to be accounted for on Dolan's balance sheet, which would then be reflected in the league's aggregate numbers for player salary expenditures and whether or not it exceeded 50% of HRR.

I haven't read anything that would suggest that salaries just disappear for accounting purposes once the player goes to the minors.

It's closer to about 50% -- the rest are on AHL SPCs, PTO's, ATO's and ECHL loaners.

And don't forget, of that 50%, most are on two-way deals that pay only a fraction, so the aggregate cost to the parent club isn't all that significant unless we're talking about guys one one-way deals.


- Tomahawk

It's way above 50%. The majority are on 2 way NHL contracts. If you read my post, you'd know that I'm aware of what a 2 way deal is.

The Wade Redden rule only prevents the scenario where a team gets cap savings for burying a guy. It doesn't explicitly say anything about the actual salary expenditure and how that's accounted for.


- Tomahawk

That's the whole reason for the rule. And why the NHL wanted it. Because millions were being paid to players that didn't count against the players share. You're not making a lot of sense here.

The Rangers were certainly the ones cutting Redden's checks while he was on the farm (Whale wouldn't be able to afford it), so that had to be accounted for on Dolan's balance sheet, which would then be reflected in the league's aggregate numbers for player salary expenditures and whether or not it exceeded 50% of HRR.

I haven't read anything that would suggest that salaries just disappear for accounting purposes once the player goes to the minors.
- Tomahawk

There seems to be a lack of understanding on how the Cap works here. In the past, salary paid to a player such as Redden did not go towards the players share. Which is why they wanted the Redden rule. The Cap is kept by the NHL, and does not include salaries paid to players in the minors. That's a basic fundamental of the NHL Salary Cap.
Just because the salaries paid to minor League players counts against the Owners "balance sheet", doesn't mean it goes towards the players share. It is absolutely not part of the players share.

In the past, salary paid to a player such as Redden did not go towards the players share. Which is why they wanted the Redden rule. The Cap is kept by the NHL, and does not include salaries paid to players in the minors.
- MJL

Is that explicitly stated in the last CBA? The current one? Please cite.

Is that explicitly stated in the last CBA? The current one? Please cite.
- Tomahawk

It's in there. Feel free to look it up. I'm not guessing here, I know it to be a fact. The CBA is a collective bargaining agreement between the NHLPA, and the NHL. Ask yourself one simple question. While the NHL players were locked out, and there was no NHL hockey being played. What was the AHL doing?

Have you ever heard the term "money outside the system" being discussed during the lockout?

But hey don't take my word for it. Feel free to Email Matthew Weust at capgeek and ask him that question. See what he says.

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It's in there. Feel free to look it up. I'm not guessing here, I know it to be a fact. The CBA is a collective bargaining agreement between the NHLPA, and the NHL.
- MJL

Had trouble finding it, did ya?

Ask yourself one simple question. While the NHL players were locked out, and there was no NHL hockey being played. What was the AHL doing?
- MJL

Guys playing in the AHL were getting paid on reliance of the previous CBA -- same thing with injured players still getting paid despite there being a lockout. Are you saying that the injured player payments won't count against the accounting for the shortened season, too? That sure would be a nice good-will gesture by the owners.

Have you ever heard the term "money outside the system" being discussed during the lockout?
- MJL

Money outside the salary cap system and money outside the accounting system are two different things. I repeat, I have never heard of there being money paid out by an NHL team that wasn't reported in the year-end balance sheet.

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Had trouble finding it, did ya?


- Tomahawk

Didn't even look. Don't need to. I know and understand how the Cap works. And my track record on knowing and understanding the Cap, stands on it's own merits.

Guys playing in the AHL were getting paid on reliance of the previous CBA -- same thing with injured players still getting paid despite there being a lockout. Are you saying that the injured player payments won't count against the accounting for the shortened season, too? That sure would be a nice good-will gesture by the owners.


- Tomahawk

You're pretty much just making it up as you go, and using terms that don't exist. How injured players count against the Cap, is part of the CBA. And they will count against the Players share. Consistent with Labor laws.
And is a completely different situation then player, playing in the Minor Leagues.

Money outside the salary cap system and money outside the accounting system are two different things. I repeat, I have never heard of there being money paid out by an NHL team that wasn't reported in the year-end balance sheet.
- Tomahawk

Everything a team spends money on isn't part of the CBA. And part of HRR, or player expenditures for the NHL roster. Which is what the Cap is all about.
How Cap (notice the word Cap that should be included) accounting is done is part of the NHL Salary Cap system. And it isn't two different things. You may have never heard of it, but you're mistaken.

Like I said, feel free to Email Matthew Weust or any other NHL CBA authority and ask them if players salaries paid to players, playing in the minors counts towards the players share. But I'll save you some time, it doesn't.

There are a few minor exceptions, such as a players sent on a conditioning assignment. But that is just a few games, and really isn't what we're discussing.

This is really the ABC's of the NHL Salary Cap. It doesn't get more basic then this.

Someone hacked Panaccio's twitter account and said Giroux injured his wrist today

Panaccio reporting that Giroux injured his wrist and is pulling out of a charity golf tourney

Panaccio reporting that Giroux injured his wrist and is pulling out of a charity golf tourney
- Jsaquella

Richards was at least smart enough to have the porn-stars give him handjobs so he could keep his wrist away from harm.

Giroux injured repaired wrist...
FMFL.

Giroux injured repaired wrist...
FMFL.
- FLYERSROCK!

Those Riders are doing pretty good this year hey? Sheets is a pretty impressive RB, and I dont think we have seen Simon really "arrive" yet.

Changes finally in Bomberville though, about (frank)ing time.

Apparently his golf club broke, and he got sliced by the shards...expected to be in a cast for 3 weeks.

http://blogues.lapresse.c...de-giroux-dans-le-platre/

will spend the next three weeks with a hand in plaster. LeDroit learned tonight that the new captain of the Philadelphia Flyers was the victim of an unfortunate accident while playing golf on the fairways Club Camelot in Cumberland today.

The former star of the Gatineau Olympiques lives in Ottawa during the summer. This morning he was playing golf with friends. According to his father, Raymond, the # 28 had hit a ball when his stick broke in two. A piece is mounted in the air to land on a hand Magician Franco-Ontarian, causing a wound that did suffer.

Transported to the hospital, he had to be operated as four tendons were affected without being severed. His early season could be compromised since the Flyers camp begins September 12 at Wells Fargo Center. After removing the plaster, Giroux will undergo physiotherapy.

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