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also vinny and his agent
- Crimsoninja

I'm in the minority, but I would like to see Jake moved to the second line. I feel it will create more balance and make the Flyers more difficult to match up against. A lot depends on whether Schenn can step up and be a top line winger or 2nd line center.

I'm in the minority, but I would like to see Jake moved to the second line. I feel it will create more balance and make the Flyers more difficult to match up against. A lot depends on whether Schenn can step up and be a top line winger or 2nd line center.
- PhillySportsGuy

agreed
ultimately i want Schenn to take that 2C role and run with it.
but I feel like this year at least, i'd like to see that second line centered by Vinny.

Who will be the third?
- PhillySportsGuy

Read or Schenn

I think jake will be at least the second highest point producer this season.
- JoeRussomanno

A 70+pt season is reasonable, if Streit doesn't push him off the top PP unit.

As Bill mentioned, the SH% is unsustainable... we should probably expect him to drop back to a more reasonable 9-12%. The good news his, his shots/game rate is on the rise, so if he keeps getting opportunities to put the puck on net, he should be able to get around 25 goals w/o really breaking a sweat.

If they can find a consistent scoring winger to join that line, and the blueline becomes more of a scoring threat, I'd expect G and Jake to rack up a lot more assists.

Who will be the third?
- PhillySportsGuy

I say it will go like this
1.Giroux
2.Voracek
3.Lecavalier
4.Hartnell
5.Timonen
6.Simmonds

After that its a toss up.

I think you're taking everyone here a little too seriously. For the most part, all of us are chained to a desk job and looking for ways to pass the time away. Getting into pissing contests about Michael Leighton, Matt Carle, and the shooting accuracy of Jeff Carter seems to do the trick.
- KGBflyers10

This is all very true.

Also, it's Matt Carle's fault.

agreed
ultimately i want Schenn to take that 2C role and run with it.
but I feel like this year at least, i'd like to see that second line centered by Vinny.
- Crimsoninja

My reasoning is that Voracek isn't really a natural goal scorer. Hes more of a passer. His shooting percentage is unsustainable. I feel he and Giroux play similar games. Giroux will be able to score with Hartnell and Schenn or Vinny. Voracek would make the second line much better.

Jake also showed some pretty good chemistry with Schenn early last season.

Some of the same people who have argued with me are Jeff Carter advocates. Give me a break already. And to whom ever said look in the mirror. I gave 2 credible links. Not bleacher report. My opinion is my opinion and just that. I never once said anyone on here is wrong. I just give you stats and rankings to support my debate and you just give me your opinion. It really doesn't matter what Giroux is ranked. I just want them to win a (frank)ing Stanley cup already and I think everyone on here feels the same way. Go Flyers!
- GOA88

The rankings you gave, did not support your debate.

My reasoning is that Voracek isn't really a natural goal scorer. Hes more of a passer. His shooting percentage is unsustainable. I feel he and Giroux play similar games. Giroux will be able to score with Hartnell and Schenn or Vinny. Voracek would make the second line much better.

Jake also showed some pretty good chemistry with Schenn early last season.
- PhillySportsGuy

im right with you bro

im right with you bro
- Crimsoninja

line.
bros.

My reasoning is that Voracek isn't really a natural goal scorer. Hes more of a passer. His shooting percentage is unsustainable. I feel he and Giroux play similar games. Giroux will be able to score with Hartnell and Schenn or Vinny. Voracek would make the second line much better.

Jake also showed some pretty good chemistry with Schenn early last season.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, the way to get the most out of everybody would be to maximize the chemistry on the secondary scoring lines first, because we pretty much know that G can play with just about anybody and make them better.

The rankings you gave, did not support your debate.
- MJL

It may have not supported the 2-way player debate but it supported top 3-5 player debate. Being a 2-way player is just obvious. Malkin vastly out scores G but yet is ranked lower. But anyways. Im not arguing with a Jeff Carter advocate anymore. Your eye for talent is obviously flawed

My reasoning is that Voracek isn't really a natural goal scorer. Hes more of a passer. His shooting percentage is unsustainable. I feel he and Giroux play similar games. Giroux will be able to score with Hartnell and Schenn or Vinny. Voracek would make the second line much better.

Jake also showed some pretty good chemistry with Schenn early last season.
- PhillySportsGuy

I do agre that the line combinations are going to be interesting and I hope they experiment some before choosing. It must be such a delicate game to not step on someone's ego. You can't tell me that being pushed from 1st to 2nd line wouldn't hurt your feelings a bit. Even if it DID make the team more well balanced. I see both Vinny, Jake, Hartnell, and Schenn fighting hard to get onto G's wing.
And last season everyone thought Couts deserved better linemates to promote his growth...

Yeah, the way to get the most out of everybody would be to maximize the chemistry on the secondary scoring lines first, because we pretty much know that G can play with just about anybody and make them better.
- Tomahawk

The post lockout NHL is based more around line balance instead of one top line and one top pairing. Most good teams have 3 lines that can score and 3 pairings that can play over 15 minutes.

It may have not have supported the 2-way player debate but it supported top 3-5 player debate. Being a 2-way player is just obvious. Malkin vastly out scores G but yet is ranked lower. But anyways. Im not arguing with a Jeff Carter advocate anymore. Your eye for talent is obviously flawed
- GOA88

The post lockout NHL is based more around line balance instead of one top line and one top pairing. Most good teams have 3 lines that can score and 3 pairings that can play over 15 minutes.
- PhillySportsGuy

Isn't it sad that I had to think about which lockout you were talking about?
Man the NHL needs to get it's crap together.

I do agre that the line combinations are going to be interesting and I hope they experiment some before choosing. It must be such a delicate game to not step on someone's ego. You can't tell me that being pushed from 1st to 2nd line wouldn't hurt your feelings a bit. Even if it DID make the team more well balanced. I see both Vinny, Jake, Hartnell, and Schenn fighting hard to get onto G's wing.
And last season everyone thought Couts deserved better linemates to promote his growth...
- FlyersGrace

Jake will still get heavy minutes. He plays the top PP and will certainly be in during the final minutes of a close game.

The post lockout NHL is based more around line balance instead of one top line and one top pairing. Most good teams have 3 lines that can score and 3 pairings that can play over 15 minutes.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree with the balance needed.
But wouldnt it be kinda dumb to have our 2nd best center playing on G's wing. Vinny will make a formidable 2nd line, good at faceoffs too. Decent 2-way game.

I agree with the balance needed.
But wouldnt it be kinda dumb to have our 2nd best center playing on G's wing. Vinny will make a formidable 2nd line, good at faceoffs too. Decent 2-way game.
- GOA88

True but does he want to play 2nd line center?
It's possible that one of the reasons we tempted him our way was so he could try something different.

EDIT: This is of course completely hypothetical and I have no idea what his intentions are.

True but does he want to play 2nd line center?
It's possible that one of the reasons we tempted him our way was so he could try something different.

EDIT: This is of course completely hypothetical and I have no idea what his intentions are.
- FlyersGrace

Maybe... I just cant see us going with Schenn as our 2nd line center. If the lines were like this

Hartsy-G-Voracek
Schenn-Vinny-Simmer
Gagne-Couts-Read

Thats very balanced and deep. I like it!!

Maybe... I just cant see us going with Schenn as our 2nd line center. If the lines were like this

Hartsy-G-Voracek
Schenn-Vinny-Simmer
Gagne-Couts-Read

Thats very balanced and deep. I like it!!
- GOA88

Who would be your 4th line?

Rinaldo, Laughton, Talbot, Hall, Rosehill, McGinn as options (did I miss anyone?)

And who would you move onto the 3rd line if we don't sign Gagne?

Who would be your 4th line?

Rinaldo, Laughton, Talbot, Hall, Rosehill, McGinn as options (did I miss anyone?)

And who would you move onto the 3rd line if we don't sign Gagne?
- FlyersGrace

3rd&4th if Gags isnt back

Talbot-Couts-Read
Mcginn-Hall-Rinaldo

4th if Gags is back

Rinaldo-Hall-Talbot

True but does he want to play 2nd line center?
It's possible that one of the reasons we tempted him our way was so he could try something different.

EDIT: This is of course completely hypothetical and I have no idea what his intentions are.
- FlyersGrace

I definitely wouldn't preclude the possibility of Vinny and G being on the same line yet... who knows what will work until we actually see them hitting the ice together. Vinny already said he's comfortable w/ the possibility of skating on the right wing... and we know G's comfortable there as well. And... they could still easily double-shift either of them if they're needed for faceoffs on other lines.

So why the 50 contract limit? I understand that for the Flyers it's less of an issue since our contracts are top heavy financially but for other team it's an issue.

I was reading around today and one of the teams is at 49 contracts but is substantially below the Salary Cap. If they have the money to spend and want to use it why can't they sign 5 or 6 or more players?

There are two reasons that this bothers me. 1. it's a cap on the number of players there can be under contract to NHL clubs. 2. While the owners spend all their time wringing their hands and locking out players and fans over player salaries, with a cap floor in place and a limit on contract numbers this serves to increase the overall average salary per player.

Like many things NHL, I don't get it.

So why the 50 contract limit? I understand that for the Flyers it's less of an issue since our contracts are top heavy financially but for other team it's an issue.

I was reading around today and one of the teams is at 49 contracts but is substantially below the Salary Cap. If they have the money to spend and want to use it why can't they sign 5 or 6 or more players?

There are two reasons that this bothers me. 1. it's a cap on the number of players there can be under contract to NHL clubs. 2. While the owners spend all their time wringing their hands and locking out players and fans over player salaries, with a cap floor in place and a limit on contract numbers this serves to increase the overall average salary per player.

Like many things NHL, I don't get it.
- mayorofangrytown

Personally I think the contract cap is so that you can't snatch up more of the good players than you can chew. They wanted to try and limit the amount of good players moving into a single farm system. And if you are forced to take on a young player as part of a trade there is a chance (albeit small) that the change of scenery is exactly what that player needed to get up into the NHL level.
But I can see why it feels redundant. I have a love hate relationship with the cap...