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AusBlackhawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Miners Rest
Joined: 07.02.2012

Aug 13 @ 12:27 AM ET
Then some Canuck troll will come in and lecture us on our spelling.
- NewToHockey


Then they will be ignorant to the joke as well as their terrible and dirty team.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Aug 13 @ 12:35 AM ET
Then some Canuck troll will come in and lecture us on our spelling.
- NewToHockey

That would be week
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 13 @ 12:57 AM ET
The look you are speaking of will end once he shows Q he can't play defense and gets knocked of the puck....it's Krugers job until Danault is ready.
- UnnamedSource


One last time: o


It is my humble opinion that Danault will never play much centtr in the NHL ...he will be wing.
fvineze
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.10.2011

Aug 13 @ 1:28 AM ET
Sharp, all the way.
fvineze
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.10.2011

Aug 13 @ 1:33 AM ET
My question is...who will be blamed for the first "softie" Crawford gives up next year? Crow or the new goalie coach?

Only thing I'll guarantee is that someone on this board will be b!tchin' about it.

- ArlingtonRob


why, Mr Softy himself, of course.
tomcat24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gomer's Pyle, IL
Joined: 06.04.2012

Aug 13 @ 1:35 AM ET
One last time: o


It is my humble opinion that Danault will never play much centtr in the NHL ...he will be wing.

- wiz1901

Why do you think that? What is your opinion on Shaw at center? Even though I would split them up, imagine what a line of Danault-shaw-Hartman would be?
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Aug 13 @ 5:40 AM ET
One last time: o


It is my humble opinion that Danault will never play much centtr in the NHL ...he will be wing.

- wiz1901


Damnit Wiz...say it aint' so. One of our best center ice prospects you say likely won't play center, and one of our best current centers plays wing all the time.

What is it with the Hawks and NOT having a good, deep roster full of center icemen.

Bugs the he11 out of me...
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Aug 13 @ 5:42 AM ET
why, Mr Softy himself, of course.
- fvineze


That would be Mr. Softy/Stanley Cup Champion to you.. my negative friend.
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Aug 13 @ 5:47 AM ET
Why do you think that? What is your opinion on Shaw at center? Even though I would split them up, imagine what a line of Danault-shaw-Hartman would be?
- tomcat24


You are optimistic I'll give ya that....so we're lookin' at about 2016-2017 for that combo?
tomcat24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gomer's Pyle, IL
Joined: 06.04.2012

Aug 13 @ 8:14 AM ET
You are optimistic I'll give ya that....so we're lookin' at about 2016-2017 for that combo?
- ArlingtonRob

I don't know about that. Danault will see some icetime at some point this year. Probably full-time next year. Stan mentioned getting Hartman up here asap. Obviously not this year but maybe some time in the 2014-2015 season I can see him getting some time here. Really smart and competitive players like Hartman can sometimes advance quicker. Especially for bottom 6 roles
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 13 @ 8:47 AM ET
The look you are speaking of will end once he shows Q he can't play defense and gets knocked of the puck....it's Krugers job until Danault is ready.
- UnnamedSource



One last time: o


It is my humble opinion that Danault will never play much centtr in the NHL ...he will be wing.

- wiz1901


So it's musical chair time till TT?
yahoodi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago, IL
Joined: 02.28.2011

Aug 13 @ 9:28 AM ET
One last time: o


It is my humble opinion that Danault will never play much centtr in the NHL ...he will be wing.

- wiz1901


Promise it's the last time?

John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:46 AM ET
DANAULT @ C or W

Seems to me . . . AT LEAST one of these guys who everyone keeps saying is going to play W as opposed to C in the NHL (Danault, McNeill, Kruger, Shaw, Teravainen . . . ) needs to ultimately end up at C. I'll come back to this in a second.

There is an organizational need for centers, made greater by the trade of Dave Bolland.

Just riding out the logic. Has it been easy for the Hawks to acquire quality centers? Aside from Handzus, who has truly been lightning in a bottle in every sense of the phrase, no. And Handzus probably has one year of limited treadwear left.

There's another name . . . Joakim Nordstrom . . . who really is a true center and projects on the higher end as sort of a Sami Pahlsson type guy. Maybe he fills the Bolland role, or the 4th line C role.

But the truth is, unless a couple of the aforementioned 5 young players end up at C, the Hawks will have a glaring hole everywhere except #1C.

Examining the skills of the players listed above, two jump out (to me) as really true centers: Kruger and Danault.

Teravainen, McNeill and Shaw all seem to me better suited to the W. Kruger and Danault think and play the game like centers, defensively responsible up and down the ice, pass first, good vision, Danault (at least) appears to be strong on faceoffs.

I don't think you can rule Danault out as a C in the pros or say he's better suited to W, because he was flopped to W at times in international play for Team Canada. Those teams had an embarrassment of riches as far as centers and the coaches could afford to move their forwards around . The Hawks really don't have that luxury at the center position. And in truth, guys like Danault and Kruger, it can be argued, are MORE out of position on the flank than they are in the middle, their natural positions.







captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:54 AM ET
DANAULT @ C or W

Seems to me . . . AT LEAST one of these guys who everyone keeps saying is going to play W as opposed to C in the NHL (Danault, McNeill, Kruger, Shaw, Teravainen . . . ) needs to ultimately end up at C. I'll come back to this in a second.

There is an organizational need for centers, made greater by the trade of Dave Bolland.

Just riding out the logic. Has it been easy for the Hawks to acquire quality centers? Aside from Handzus, who has truly been lightning in a bottle in every sense of the phrase, no. And Handzus probably has one year of limited treadwear left.

There's another name . . . Joakim Nordstrom . . . who really is a true center and projects on the higher end as sort of a Sami Pahlsson type guy. Maybe he fills the Bolland role, or the 4th line C role.

But the truth is, unless a couple of the aforementioned 5 young players end up at C, the Hawks will have a glaring hole everywhere except #1C.

Examining the skills of the players listed above, two jump out (to me) as really true centers: Kruger and Danault.

Teravainen, McNeill and Shaw all seem to me better suited to the W. Kruger and Danault think and play the game like centers, defensively responsible up and down the ice, pass first, good vision, Danault (at least) appears to be strong on faceoffs.

I don't think you can rule Danault out as a C in the pros or say he's better suited to W, because he was flopped to W at times in international play for Team Canada. Those teams had an embarrassment of riches as far as centers and the coaches could afford to move their forwards around . The Hawks really don't have that luxury at the center position. And in truth, guys like Danault and Kruger, it can be argued, are MORE out of position on the flank than they are in the middle, their natural positions.

- John Jaeckel


Hey JJ!
Good point about Danault playing wing on team Canada because they had an abundance of C's..I also think he'll be playing C in the NHL,at least fro da Hawks,unless they land a few quality C's very soon,but that isn't likely..

Do you remember when the Hawks came back from 3-1 down VS Detroit?....That was awesome anyways i was wondering who was the former player i believe(i think u said that) who said that they think the Wings awoke a sleeping giant? His analysis when u look at it,was pretty much spot on don't you think?
If u can't reveal their name that's cool too,was just curious
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 07.09.2009

Aug 13 @ 10:11 AM ET
DANAULT @ C or W

Seems to me . . . AT LEAST one of these guys who everyone keeps saying is going to play W as opposed to C in the NHL (Danault, McNeill, Kruger, Shaw, Teravainen . . . ) needs to ultimately end up at C. I'll come back to this in a second.

There is an organizational need for centers, made greater by the trade of Dave Bolland.

Just riding out the logic. Has it been easy for the Hawks to acquire quality centers? Aside from Handzus, who has truly been lightning in a bottle in every sense of the phrase, no. And Handzus probably has one year of limited treadwear left.

There's another name . . . Joakim Nordstrom . . . who really is a true center and projects on the higher end as sort of a Sami Pahlsson type guy. Maybe he fills the Bolland role, or the 4th line C role.

But the truth is, unless a couple of the aforementioned 5 young players end up at C, the Hawks will have a glaring hole everywhere except #1C.

Examining the skills of the players listed above, two jump out (to me) as really true centers: Kruger and Danault.

Teravainen, McNeill and Shaw all seem to me better suited to the W. Kruger and Danault think and play the game like centers, defensively responsible up and down the ice, pass first, good vision, Danault (at least) appears to be strong on faceoffs.

I don't think you can rule Danault out as a C in the pros or say he's better suited to W, because he was flopped to W at times in international play for Team Canada. Those teams had an embarrassment of riches as far as centers and the coaches could afford to move their forwards around . The Hawks really don't have that luxury at the center position. And in truth, guys like Danault and Kruger, it can be argued, are MORE out of position on the flank than they are in the middle, their natural positions.

- John Jaeckel


I only saw RFD three times last year, but Nordstrom stood out in all three games. I'm looking forward to seeing this guy at the next level, but I don't think he's quite ready yet.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Aug 13 @ 10:23 AM ET
DANAULT @ C or W

Seems to me . . . AT LEAST one of these guys who everyone keeps saying is going to play W as opposed to C in the NHL (Danault, McNeill, Kruger, Shaw, Teravainen . . . ) needs to ultimately end up at C. I'll come back to this in a second.

There is an organizational need for centers, made greater by the trade of Dave Bolland.

Just riding out the logic. Has it been easy for the Hawks to acquire quality centers? Aside from Handzus, who has truly been lightning in a bottle in every sense of the phrase, no. And Handzus probably has one year of limited treadwear left.

There's another name . . . Joakim Nordstrom . . . who really is a true center and projects on the higher end as sort of a Sami Pahlsson type guy. Maybe he fills the Bolland role, or the 4th line C role.

But the truth is, unless a couple of the aforementioned 5 young players end up at C, the Hawks will have a glaring hole everywhere except #1C.

Examining the skills of the players listed above, two jump out (to me) as really true centers: Kruger and Danault.

Teravainen, McNeill and Shaw all seem to me better suited to the W. Kruger and Danault think and play the game like centers, defensively responsible up and down the ice, pass first, good vision, Danault (at least) appears to be strong on faceoffs.

I don't think you can rule Danault out as a C in the pros or say he's better suited to W, because he was flopped to W at times in international play for Team Canada. Those teams had an embarrassment of riches as far as centers and the coaches could afford to move their forwards around . The Hawks really don't have that luxury at the center position. And in truth, guys like Danault and Kruger, it can be argued, are MORE out of position on the flank than they are in the middle, their natural positions.

- John Jaeckel


Hello JJ, how's is going? I have seen discussion about who plays C or W, and I've always been curious about what it is in young players that tells a scout whether a forward would be better at one or the other. Is it something in the skill set, or perhaps in their desire/ability to play defense, too? Also, is there something about the system played by the NHL club that calls for a certain type of player at the center position? I guess what I'm asking is this - what makes a center for the Hawks and what makes a wing?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen for my answer! Have a good one.
Dissent
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Flavor Country
Joined: 03.28.2009

Aug 13 @ 11:15 AM ET
...ahhh...you Hawks fans and Crawford, I tell you...

Hey--I guess it's only revisionist history if you remember how you perceived things in the past, am I right?
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Aug 13 @ 11:16 AM ET
Nordstrom, McNeil, Danault, Teravainen, Hartman, etc.... All at least 2-3 years away from a peek at NHL ice, assuming they can play on the AHL ice well as a prerequisite. They are all still prospects at best right now.

Secondly, I also don't see any of them being rushed along, as it is counter to the Bowman philosophy of making sure prospects are well done before they are served to the NHL roster.

Finally, it is also just as likely that some of these guys will be trade chips.
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Aug 13 @ 11:19 AM ET
...ahhh...you Hawks fans and Crawford, I tell you...

Hey--I guess it's only revisionist history if you remember how you perceived things in the past, am I right?

- Dissent

Care to share, or just being an assbag?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 13 @ 11:24 AM ET
Nordstrom, McNeil, Danault, Teravainen, Hartman, etc.... All at least 2-3 years away from a peek at NHL ice, assuming they can play on the AHL ice well as a prerequisite. They are all still prospects at best right now.

Secondly, I also don't see any of them being rushed along, as it is counter to the Bowman philosophy of making sure prospects are well done before they are served to the NHL roster.

Finally, it is also just as likely that some of these guys will be trade chips.

- Return of the Roar



I hope they're not rushed along. The next 1-2 years can be about seeing who of Pirri, Hayes, Morin and Smith can stand out. After that the next wave of McNeill, Danault, and Teravainen come through. For the next 3 - 5 years we should have some decent prospects fighting for a roster spot.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 13 @ 11:28 AM ET
Care to share, or just being an assbag?
- Ogilthorpe2


So it wasn't just me, thinking that comment was coming from deep left field.
Lash8
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 13 @ 12:06 PM ET
So it wasn't just me, thinking that comment was coming from deep left field.
- Beaver-Warrior


He's trying to heat up the new division rivalry before it falls apart due to a lack of blue line depth and questionable goaltending.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Aug 13 @ 12:18 PM ET
Care to share, or just being an assbag?
- Ogilthorpe2[/quote

I'll take assbag for 800, Alex.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 13 @ 12:24 PM ET
He's trying to heat up the new division rivalry before it falls apart due to a lack of blue line depth and questionable goaltending.
- Lash8


Pretty week attempt.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 07.09.2009

Aug 13 @ 12:42 PM ET
Pretty
- Beaver-Warriorweek attempt.

Indeed.

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