not saying miller makes sense.
but I don't think millers value is quite what a lot of buff fans might hope it is.

also, rather let hemsky walk at the end of the year than the extra year of drews contract

not saying miller makes sense.
but I don't think millers value is quite what a lot of buff fans might hope it is.

also, rather let hemsky walk at the end of the year than the extra year of drews contract
- hugefemale dog77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEB4aLa-pnk

Hemsky for RDP!

Hemsky is actually quite a good player when he's healthy...problem is...he rarely is...you wouldnt get much for Miller, which is why he hasnt been moved...you likely will just lose him for nothing instead
- annoyance_101

He hasn't been moved because Darcy is waiting until the deadline to trade him to a contender lacking a goalie. That is when he will get value. Miller has value, unlike Luongo. I am sure that you realize that. Not all goalies that teams are trying to get rid of are worth nothing.

he can't "prove you otherwise" anymore than you can.
- Marshalle

So you're saying that I can't prove that he has a high price tag? I can't prove that he's a headcase? Have you seen his post game interviews...I can't prove otherwise that its been reported that he has given Darcy a list (the names not known to the public)? you sure about that stuff?

He hasn't been moved because Darcy is waiting until the deadline to trade him to a contender lacking a goalie. That is when he will get value. Miller has value, unlike Luongo. I am sure that you realize that. Not all goalies that teams are trying to get rid of are worth nothing.
- benny948

Schneider has value, he got a 1st in return...that shows what current goaltenders are going for...Lou L. isn't an idiot...I never said Miller was worthless but he comes with different baggage than Luongo does...Luongos not useless to the Canucks providing he plays the way he has been for the past years with them...skill level i would still take luongo right now...he has handled the trade stuff with pure class...miller has shown he is a hot head...thats a huge undertaking for a GM to take on...he has 1 year left, and not necessarily going to sign with a team that trades for him...He is a good starting goaltender, not elite any longer...he's not young anymore for a goaltender either

So you're saying that I can't prove that he has a high price tag? I can't prove that he's a headcase? Have you seen his post game interviews...I can't prove otherwise that its been reported that he has given Darcy a list (the names not known to the public)? you sure about that stuff?
- annoyance_101

Other than his contract you can't prove anything is that better? You don't know the guy or anything behind the scenes. All any of us know for sure how much for how long.

Schneider has value, he got a 1st in return...that shows what current goaltenders are going for...Lou L. isn't an idiot...I never said Miller was worthless but he comes with different baggage than Luongo does...Luongos not useless to the Canucks providing he plays the way he has been for the past years with them...skill level i would still take luongo right now...he has handled the trade stuff with pure class...miller has shown he is a hot head...thats a huge undertaking for a GM to take on...he has 1 year left, and not necessarily going to sign with a team that trades for him...He is a good starting goaltender, not elite any longer...he's not young anymore for a goaltender either
- annoyance_101

Yup. Buffalo fans won't like the return for Miller.

Schneider has value, he got a 1st in return...that shows what current goaltenders are going for...Lou L. isn't an idiot...I never said Miller was worthless but he comes with different baggage than Luongo does...Luongos not useless to the Canucks providing he plays the way he has been for the past years with them...skill level i would still take luongo right now...he has handled the trade stuff with pure class...miller has shown he is a hot head...thats a huge undertaking for a GM to take on...he has 1 year left, and not necessarily going to sign with a team that trades for him...He is a good starting goaltender, not elite any longer...he's not young anymore for a goaltender either
- annoyance_101

You literally just made up most of that.

Since neither for Hemsky is possible, here's a good yahoo article for once about the Sabres

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ue-nations-171813047.html

Yup. Buffalo fans won't like the return for Miller.
- doon

Just like Canuck fans thought they should have gotten more for Schneider, but the landscape has changed, when guys like Crawford and Niemi are winning cups...less importance on goaltending lately...I've changed my stance on Oilers actually needing better goaltending...if Reimer can take the Leafs to the playoffs, its clear that the coaching system has the biggest part to do with the teams success...if the Oilers can do well under Eakins, it will improve Dubnyks numbers...I wouldn't give up MUCH more than Hemsky at this point for Miller, i suggested Dubnyk and Hemsky for him...thats literally all I would give up though...

You literally just made up most of that.
- sbroads24

which parts? point them out one by one...

You literally just made up most of that.
- sbroads24

Just like Canuck fans thought they should have gotten more for Schneider, but the landscape has changed, when guys like Crawford and Niemi are winning cups...less importance on goaltending lately...I've changed my stance on Oilers actually needing better goaltending...if Reimer can take the Leafs to the playoffs, its clear that the coaching system has the biggest part to do with the teams success...if the Oilers can do well under Eakins, it will improve Eakins numbers...I wouldn't give up MUCH more than Hemsky at this point for Miller, i suggested Dubnyk and Hemsky for him...thats literally all I would give up though...
- annoyance_101

They should have gotten more for Schneider. That was a terrible trade and poorly managed situation in general. And the team isn't finished with it yet.

I think the return for Hemsky would be better than Miller's AT THE DEADLINE. Teams that are looking for players at the deadline to help them in the playoffs probably already have the goalie they intend to use, unless there is an injury. Scoring depth is what is needed for playoff contenders. Hemsky can add that if he stays healthy. So, in theory, Buffalo would make out better if a contender has an injury to their starting goalie and Edmonton would do better if Hemsky stays healthy.
There is nothing saying that these two need to be dealt before the season starts, or for each other.

Just like Canuck fans thought they should have gotten more for Schneider, but the landscape has changed, when guys like Crawford and Niemi are winning cups...less importance on goaltending lately...I've changed my stance on Oilers actually needing better goaltending...if Reimer can take the Leafs to the playoffs, its clear that the coaching system has the biggest part to do with the teams success...if the Oilers can do well under Eakins, it will improve Eakins numbers...I wouldn't give up MUCH more than Hemsky at this point for Miller, i suggested Dubnyk and Hemsky for him...thats literally all I would give up though...
- annoyance_101

That's what I was thinking. The Oilers should be putting enough pucks in the net. If Dubs can just be a solid net minder they should be OK. They could use that money to help pay for the kids. I think they should stick with him this year and address it if they have to next summer.

Schneider has value, he got a 1st in return...that shows what current goaltenders are going for...Lou L. isn't an idiot...I never said Miller was worthless but he comes with different baggage than Luongo does...Luongos not useless to the Canucks providing he plays the way he has been for the past years with them...skill level i would still take luongo right now...he has handled the trade stuff with pure class...miller has shown he is a hot head...thats a huge undertaking for a GM to take on...he has 1 year left, and not necessarily going to sign with a team that trades for him...He is a good starting goaltender, not elite any longer...he's not young anymore for a goaltender either
- annoyance_101

I never said anything about Schneider. Miller had better numbers than Luongo this year on a terrible team, he is better. And you made it sound like Miller is worth nothing by saying Darcy will get little for him, meaning he is worth next to nothing. You made this abundantly clear by trolling Sabres fans on this blog and EK's. What I said before is true, he has value to a team like Pit at the deadline.

I think the return for Hemsky would be better than Miller's AT THE DEADLINE. Teams that are looking for players at the deadline to help them in the playoffs probably already have the goalie they intend to use, unless there is an injury. Scoring depth is what is needed for playoff contenders. Hemsky can add that if he stays healthy. So, in theory, Buffalo would make out better if a contender has an injury to their starting goalie and Edmonton would do better if Hemsky stays healthy.
There is nothing saying that these two need to be dealt before the season starts, or for each other.
- nated81

Unless they are named the Penguins or Islanders.

They should have gotten more for Schneider. That was a terrible trade and poorly managed situation in general. And the team isn't finished with it yet.
- Marshalle

Teams are not willing to give up much more than that for a promising starting goaltender...I think Bernier is going to be the starter in Toronto for years to come, look what the Kings got for him...look what Varlomov was traded for...look what Giguere to Toronto got the ducks (not that long after winning the cup), Bobrovsky, you know the Vezina winner this past season? Ya, look what he was traded for...a few years after Theodore won the vezina what did he get traded for? these are all goaltenders that are in their prime or coming up to their prime (with the exception of Giguere)...find me 3 examples of a top tier goaltender being traded for more than Schneider was

which parts? point them out one by one...
- annoyance_101

Miller is a hot head undertaking his GM.... Please give a factual example.
Miller most likely will not resign with the team that trades for him.... Please somehow prove that's nothing more than a hunch.
Luongo has handled the trade talk with nothing but class.... Do you mean like being "shocked" and too angry to talk to the media after Schneider was traded because he wants to leave Vancouver so bad?

I never said anything about Schneider. Miller had better numbers than Luongo this year on a terrible team, he is better. And you made it sound like Miller is worth nothing by saying Darcy will get little for him, meaning he is worth next to nothing. You made this abundantly clear by trolling Sabres fans on this blog and EK's. What I said before is true, he has value to a team like Pit at the deadline.
- benny948

I never once said he was worthless, you're the one making things up. Getting Hemsky and Dubnyk is not nothing, I said he has as much value as Schneider, if not a little more...maybe you're not clear with what Hemsky can bring to a team, but I have seen him play for several years and he would be a solid addition to a team, but the Oilers are trying to go a little younger than he is, he would help a contender...I don't think Hemsky to Sabres makes much sense but IF he were to go there, i think Dubnyk and Hemsky should be more than enough to get it done

troll_101 causing a stir? what else is new.

Teams are not willing to give up much more than that for a promising starting goaltender...I think Bernier is going to be the starter in Toronto for years to come, look what the Kings got for him...look what Varlomov was traded for...look what Giguere to Toronto got the ducks (not that long after winning the cup), Bobrovsky, you know the Vezina winner this past season? Ya, look what he was traded for...a few years after Theodore won the vezina what did he get traded for? these are all goaltenders that are in their prime or coming up to their prime (with the exception of Giguere)...find me 3 examples of a top tier goaltender being traded for more than Schneider was
- annoyance_101

The goalies you mentioned are irrelevant, they were not on Schneiders level at the time of trade. Edmonton offered a 1st, 2nd, and top prospect for Schneider. The Canucks got fleeced on that one because Gillis screwed up the situation and didn't want to trade Schneider inter division.

Miller is a hot head undertaking his GM.... Please give a factual example.
Miller most likely will not resign with the team that trades for him.... Please somehow prove that's nothing more than a hunch.
Luongo has handled the trade talk with nothing but class.... Do you mean like being "shocked" and too angry to talk to the media after Schneider was traded because he wants to leave Vancouver so bad?
- sbroads24

Thats not even the wording I used so go back to reading, and I'll answer that when you use my wording...

Unless Miller gets traded to a team that he wants to be playing for, why on earth would he re-sign with them? It is a hunched based on common knowledge that if a player does not wish to play for the team he is on, he will not re-sign.

Now you're the one making things up, maybe you didnt hear his interview in Las Vegas? He was joking about which player Torts would make cry first, does that sound like a player that is outraged?

I never once said he was worthless, you're the one making things up. Getting Hemsky and Dubnyk is not nothing, I said he has as much value as Schneider, if not a little more...maybe you're not clear with what Hemsky can bring to a team, but I have seen him play for several years and he would be a solid addition to a team, but the Oilers are trying to go a little younger than he is, he would help a contender...I don't think Hemsky to Sabres makes much sense but IF he were to go there, i think Dubnyk and Hemsky should be more than enough to get it done
- annoyance_101

I would rather have the 9th pick than Hemsky and Dubnyk.