Really? The cap would go down? I.would think the Flyers would get a little space to play with if two teams folded to somehow take care of the players coming from the two folding teams.
- dingo8urbaby

If I'm not mistaken the cap is based on league wide revenues. Remove two teams, despite them being small market, and the total will be lower.

The online sports betting site (bovada) has the Flyers at 28:1.
- tk71

I don't think I'm too much of a homer, but we have a really good team this year. We had a good team on paper last year, and since then we've trimmed the fat and added Lecavalier, Streit, and Emery. No one understands us

If I'm not mistaken the cap is based on league wide revenues. Remove two teams, despite them being small market, and the total will be lower.
- JAKEw1234

If you lose two teams who are bleeding money and cutting into the overall profit of the league then the cap would go up.

Say Phoenix and Florida are together losing 45 million a yr. That comes out of the overall League wide profits so in effect Profits would go up 45 mil by closing shop in those two cities.

With the lockout looming a year ago I understand why this wasn't more of a topic of discussion. It should be more of one now that the league has come up with an agreement. Tampa Bay looked like a bunch of Clowns by refusing to forcheck, which made the Flyers refuse to play. I thought it was a thing of beauty that Pronger was the guy hanging on to the puck most of that time. He's a player who doesn't mind being hated, even though I'm positive it was apart of Laviolette's game plan. The Flyers always find away to make history in a manner that ends up making Hockey better imo.
- dingo8urbaby

If you lose two teams who are bleeding money and cutting into the overall profit of the league then the cap would go up.

Say Phoenix and Florida are together losing 45 million a yr. That comes out of the overall League wide profits so in effect Profits would go up 45 mil by closing shop in those two cities.
- mayorofangrytown

That would improve profit, sure. But isn't the cap tied to revenue, not profits? The loses don't factor in, only dollars collected.

I don't think I'm too much of a homer, but we have a really good team this year. We had a good team on paper last year, and since then we've trimmed the fat and added Lecavalier, Streit, and Emery. No one understands us
- JAKEw1234

I agree and you also throw in the fact that almost the entire team had a bad year. Not to mention the new defensive scheme Lavi was forced to implement with no real training camp last year. So I think most places taking bets have higher expectations for the Flyers. I'm not exactly sure where Eklund got his betting facts but I was unable to find 40:1 odds.

If you lose two teams who are bleeding money and cutting into the overall profit of the league then the cap would go up.

Say Phoenix and Florida are together losing 45 million a yr. That comes out of the overall League wide profits so in effect Profits would go up 45 mil by closing shop in those two cities.
- mayorofangrytown

Mayor of Math Town!

That would improve profit, sure. But isn't the cap tied to revenue, not profits? The loses don't factor in, only dollars collected.
- BulliesPhan87

Are you sure about that? Good point and you may be right.

That would improve profit, sure. But isn't the cap tied to revenue, not profits? The loses don't factor in, only dollars collected.
- BulliesPhan87

Are you sure about that? Good point and you may be right.
- mayorofangrytown

I'm pretty sure that's the tune. The cap is tied to the ever-popular Hockey Related Revenues (a favorite number at CBA negotiations). So even if teams keep losing money on the bottom line, as long as the number of dollars all teams collect total (minus non-hockey revenues from concerts, etc.) the cap ceiling and floor will both inevitably rise.

Glad we had that lockout to fix everything!

Not only has it been really boring since early July, the transactions have been odd. I've already voice that I worry that the NHL is becoming more of a league for young boys rather then the best of the best. Unsigned players such Simon Gagne, Brendan Morrow, Douglas Murray, Matthew Lombardi and David Steckel are all still very useful NHL players. I told before that it's a money thing and while I agree, it shouldn't be used as an excuse. NHL should be the best of the best. I'm all for two useless franchises folding if it means the cap is raised and both the east, west and all divisions are even. The odd part of the summer is certainly players like Ville Leino weren't bought out. Why not? Another odd part of this summer is players like Saku Koivu and Scott Gomez were still about to find homes somewhere in the NHL. If they can, anyone should be. If Tim Thomas can find a place to play before third and fourth liners in their late 20's, early 30's, my mind will be blown. The fact that some players were fighting over Jagr makes me scratch my head.

I'm also becoming a little worried that Meszaros may somehow become another Randy Jones situation but maybe worse. Since there is no more re-entry waivers, I do worry Meszaros will have to play during preseason, while Gagne will be here on a tryout. With all of this happening I worry Gustafsson will share a part time position with Meszaros and possibly having a lesser player to Gagne to play on the third on.

A lot to be excited about for the Flyers but we still need one situation to work itself out.
- dingo8urbaby

Most of those players will play somewhere. It's likely that it's not that they're not useful players. But just that nobody wants to meet their price at this point.

And folding teams won't raise the Cap. It will do the opposite. It will lower it.

If you lose two teams who are bleeding money and cutting into the overall profit of the league then the cap would go up.

Say Phoenix and Florida are together losing 45 million a yr. That comes out of the overall League wide profits so in effect Profits would go up 45 mil by closing shop in those two cities.
- mayorofangrytown

The cap isn't based on profits, or on the books of individual teams. It's based on League revenue.

The cap isn't based on profits, or on the books of individual teams. It's based on League revenue.
- MJL

Per Wikipedia:
"The lockout was resolved when the NHLPA agreed to a hard salary cap based on league revenues, with the NHL implementing revenue sharing to allow for a higher cap figure. "

- BulliesPhan87

That's a misread. There is a BOG. And Bettman is a business man. He's not going to keep a team somewhere that is losing money, just because he doesn't want to admit he's wrong.
- MJL

If it doesn't directly reduce his compensation, then why not?

How long until Morrow accepts a 1-year deal for under $1.5M?

How long until Morrow accepts a 1-year deal for under $1.5M?
- jmatchett383

I don't know if this is a good idea, economically, for Morrow or not....

But what's to stop him from say.....not being on a roster opening night and then just making sure he's ready for when the (inevitable) injury occurs and then sign for more than $1.5mil?

He's an older player.....he might enjoy starting a little later than usual.

Not advocating this, necessarily.....just thinking out loud.

I don't know if this is a good idea, economically, for Morrow or not....

But what's to stop him from say.....not being on a roster opening night and then just making sure he's ready for when the (inevitable) injury occurs and then sign for more than $1.5mil?

He's an older player.....he might enjoy starting a little later than usual.

Not advocating this, necessarily.....just thinking out loud.
- johndewar

I don't know if any team's gonna want to grab an older player mid-season who hasn't been playing. The Flyers grabbed Knuble in a similar situation, but he was playing with Gran Rapids.

Not only has it been really boring since early July, the transactions have been odd. I've already voice that I worry that the NHL is becoming more of a league for young boys rather then the best of the best. Unsigned players such Simon Gagne, Brendan Morrow, Douglas Murray, Matthew Lombardi and David Steckel are all still very useful NHL players. I told before that it's a money thing and while I agree, it shouldn't be used as an excuse. NHL should be the best of the best. I'm all for two useless franchises folding if it means the cap is raised and both the east, west and all divisions are even. The odd part of the summer is certainly players like Ville Leino weren't bought out. Why not? Another odd part of this summer is players like Saku Koivu and Scott Gomez were still about to find homes somewhere in the NHL. If they can, anyone should be. If Tim Thomas can find a place to play before third and fourth liners in their late 20's, early 30's, my mind will be blown. The fact that some players were fighting over Jagr makes me scratch my head.

I'm also becoming a little worried that Meszaros may somehow become another Randy Jones situation but maybe worse. Since there is no more re-entry waivers, I do worry Meszaros will have to play during preseason, while Gagne will be here on a tryout. With all of this happening I worry Gustafsson will share a part time position with Meszaros and possibly having a lesser player to Gagne to play on the third on.

A lot to be excited about for the Flyers but we still need one situation to work itself out.
- dingo8urbaby

Leino wasn't bought out because he was not medically cleared. Guys have to be healthy to be bought out & Leino wasn't.

My guess is, the reduced cap has a lot of teams waiting to see what happens in terms of young players on cheaper deals, or waiting until the veterans decide to sign a deal for a tiny salary.

In a case like Gagne, he's probably waiting for the Flyers to clear cap room and a contract slot, which might not happen until camp is close to being over.

As for Meszaros, they might need to package him and a pick to entice somebody else to jump. Or perhaps place him on waivers and see if anyone rolls the dice on him. His salary being higher than his cap hit makes it hard to move him to a "budget" team trying to reach the salary floor and his cap hit is large enough that a team that spends to the cap might be gunshy about adding him.

I don't know if any team's gonna want to grab an older player mid-season who hasn't been playing. The Flyers grabbed Knuble in a similar situation, but he was playing with Gran Rapids.
- jmatchett383

Morrow, or another vet, could sign a similar deal to Knuble's and stay in shape waiting for a call.

The point of hockey is to score more goals than the other team. That gets thrown when teams are more worried about preventing goals than scoring them. The fact that the Flyers were seen as the bad guys in the game in Tampa where they refused to skate right into the 0-4-1 revealed a lot about what's wrong with hockey's current state.
- Flyskippy

That was (frank)ing awesome

If it doesn't directly reduce his compensation, then why not?
- Feanor

Prolonging a messy situation could well cost him his job, or at least support among the BOG.

I have no idea why such a strong effort has been made to save Phoenix, when the NHL seemingly made little or no effort to repair the Atlanta situation. I realize that the ownership situation in Atlanta was tied up in the courts, but there was no public effort that approached the one by Bettman or Daly in Arizona to resolve the situation and save the Thrashers.

Morrow, or another vet, could sign a similar deal to Knuble's and stay in shape waiting for a call.
- Jsaquella

He could definitely do that. But, from what I remember, Knuble signed that deal because there was no interest in him at all from any NHL team, so an AHL deal was all he could get.

Morrow, on the other hand, could get an NHL deal, just not at what he wants. So if he signs an AHL deal and waits for a call, he's rolling the dice that that call will come.

He could definitely do that. But, from what I remember, Knuble signed that deal because there was no interest in him at all from any NHL team, so an AHL deal was all he could get.

Morrow, on the other hand, could get an NHL deal, just not at what he wants. So if he signs an AHL deal and waits for a call, he's rolling the dice that that call will come.
- jmatchett383

That is true. I do feel that if he is not signed when camps open, he'll be invited somewhere, just like Knuble was to the Red Wings camp, before signing the deal with the AHL