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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:14 PM ET
playoff bound unlike Philly.
- BingoLady


Habs fans are the best.

When you guys come to the WFC, it's the only time I can use my awful high school French.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jul 31 @ 1:14 PM ET
The Flyers fans sold out a 50,000 seat baseball stadium to watch an outdoor game featuring old guys in what was really less an exhibition game than a walk down memory lane.

Not sure how I can express how pretty amazing that is.

The only other franchises that will top getting attendance to something like that will likely be Original 6 franchises.

- johndewar

Agreed. MAYBE the California teams, but at that point it's more about the "cool factor" involved. Not the love of the game... Sorry, but it's true
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 31 @ 1:15 PM ET
playoff bound unlike Philly.
- BingoLady


Well I hope you guys enjoyed your magical 5 game series.
Best part was the 5-on-5 brawl your goons started, and then promptly lost all 5 fights.

Typical Montreal.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:15 PM ET
In a half-seaon, anything was possible and we saw just that...


Given the outlook of both franchises, give me the Flyers any day. Additionally, it's not even comparable when you look at the Atlantic (formerly) and the other divisions in the East. I don't think you'll find anyone who will argue that the Northeast or Southeat divisions rival the competition in the Atlantic... I have no beef with Montreal really, but I just found it funny you actually think there is the chance the Flyers miss the playoffs for approximately 10 seaons...

- Flyers_V88

6 for Habs vs last for Philly.


http://www.hockeysfuture....m-rankings-2012-13/page/3

I guess you may get McDavid in 2 years though..
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:17 PM ET
That is not a playoff likely group. Especially if they play in front of dubious goaltending.
- spatso


It's a long season. A mid-year trade, a pick up at the trade deadline... One top pair defenseman would make this a top notch group. As almost everyone says - if healthy. The main problem with the Flyers defense isn't talent, it's injuries. This group isn't the same group with Streit added into the mix. Last season (short season), the Flyers list 13 guys who play defense. Names like Konan, Lilja, Huskins, Manning, Lauridsen, Foster, Gervais etc.. played last season. If healthy, none of these guys would see the ice, except on a rare occasion.
rmiethaner
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 31 @ 1:17 PM ET
The Flyers fans sold out a 50,000 seat baseball stadium to watch an outdoor game featuring old guys in what was really less an exhibition game than a walk down memory lane.

Not sure how I can express how pretty amazing that is.

The only other franchises that will top getting attendance to something like that will likely be Original 6 franchises.

- johndewar



Buffalo sold out a 70,000 seat football stadium.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jul 31 @ 1:18 PM ET
6 for Habs vs last for Philly.


http://www.hockeysfuture....m-rankings-2012-13/page/3

I guess you may get McDavid in 2 years though..

- BingoLady

This is a ranking of prospects in the organization... This really has virtually no baring on how the team will perform in the seaon.

As well, the Flyers were even WORSE over the past 10-15 years with prospects and we did just fine and consistently finished ahead of Montreal, so doesn't seem like it's going to be an issue even as Holmer has made some progress with "re-stocking the shelves."
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jul 31 @ 1:19 PM ET
Buffalo sold out a 70,000 seat football stadium.
- rmiethaner

Buffalo is up there in terms of their fan support and loyalty. Respect.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:19 PM ET
This is a ranking of prospects in the organization... This really has virtually no baring on how the team will perform in the seaon.

As well, the Flyers were even WORSE over the past 10-15 years with prospects and we did just fine and consistently finished ahead of Montreal, so doesn't seem like it's going to be an issue even as Holmer has made some progress with "re-stocking the shelves."

- Flyers_V88

better get a goaltender for the nets then....
Marshalle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: oshawa, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jul 31 @ 1:20 PM ET
I'm not ok with it, the last 2 years the team defense has been horrible, debatable trades, questionable signings, downright horrible signings etc. etc. etc.
The Flyers cannot continue to throw huge contracts at 35+ dmen. If you are going to continue to Frank your future then they had better win now.
The entire management structure should be on a very very short lease, ditto for all the coaches.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 31 @ 1:22 PM ET
better get a goaltender for the nets then....
- BingoLady


They do. Stolarz was one of the top-3 goalies in the OHL this past season. Heeter's a possibility for the future as well.

Presently, they have Ray Emery who, although he was on a very good team, put up teriffic numbers last year. I think they'll be okay.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jul 31 @ 1:23 PM ET
better get a goaltender for the nets then....
- BingoLady

As most seasons this is typical concern for fans following the team, but I can say I personally don't feel too worried. I'm confident that both, if not at least one, will grab a large portion of games and roll. Emery, albeit on a bombs team in Chicago, put up excellent numbers and showed he can play at a high level.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:24 PM ET
6 for Habs vs last for Philly.


http://www.hockeysfuture....m-rankings-2012-13/page/3

I guess you may get McDavid in 2 years though..

- BingoLady


So, your point is that the Flyers win and go to the playoffs more often, and get lower picks? But, they some how find the way to get into the playoffs year over year. Yeah, good point.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:24 PM ET
Every major point to this blog is the result of one culprit, yes. But it's not Homer. Snider is the one that has the biggest say in said decisions.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:24 PM ET
So, your point is that the Flyers win and go to the playoffs more often, and get lower picks? But, they some how find the way to get into the playoffs year over year. Yeah, good point.
- leon neon

Good playoff run in 2013.

For such a great team not to have won since 1975 - complete and utter embarrassment.
Marshalle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: oshawa, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jul 31 @ 1:26 PM ET
This is a ranking of prospects in the organization... This really has virtually no baring on how the team will perform in the seaon.

As well, the Flyers were even WORSE over the past 10-15 years with prospects and we did just fine and consistently finished ahead of Montreal, so doesn't seem like it's going to be an issue even as Holmer has made some progress with "re-stocking the shelves."

- Flyers_V88

The Flyers just got lucky and were able to buy out 2 f***ing horrible contracts. It was proven last year that NO DEPTH IS A SEASON KILLER! Holmgren job is equal short term and long term planning. So far his long term planning has been unacceptable.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:26 PM ET
Matt Karash: Which is more ridiculous? The Flyers/Paul Holmgren situation
- CarolinaMatt63

At least the Flyers stay interesting, unlike the Canes, right? I'm really not seeing how this is your problem as a Carolina beat writer. For all Homer's short coming, you completely forgot to write about all the good things he's done. I love what Paul Holmgren has done. He screws up and always manages to correct his mistakes.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 31 @ 1:26 PM ET
Good playoff run in 2013.
- BingoLady


Almost as good as all of the Montreal playoff runs in 94/95, 98/99, 99/00, 00/01, 02/03, 06/07, and 11/12.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:27 PM ET
6 for Habs vs last for Philly.


http://www.hockeysfuture....m-rankings-2012-13/page/3

I guess you may get McDavid in 2 years though..

- BingoLady




As if hockeysfuture is the end all, be all of prospect rankings. That website (frank)ing BLOWS

See, I can bold words for the sake of enthusiasm as well.

As long as were finding players like Matt Read for free in the undrafted college FA market, those rankings can suck my left nut.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:28 PM ET
Almost as good as all of the Montreal playoff runs in 94/95, 98/99, 99/00, 00/01, 02/03, 06/07, and 11/12.
- jmatchett383

For such a great team not to have won since 1975 - complete and utter embarrassment.


Trade JVR, Carter, Richards, BOBROVSKY...
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jul 31 @ 1:29 PM ET
The Flyers just got lucky and were able to buy out 2 f***ing horrible contracts. It was proven last year that NO DEPTH IS A SEASON KILLER! Holmgren job is equal short term and long term planning. So far his long term planning has been unacceptable.
- Marshalle

Hey, this season was a bust, what can we do? Most, if not all teams experience them. You can't remain on top forever, it happens to all sports teams. The Flyers have just been lucky to always be in the mix for playoff and Cup contention. The shelves are slowly being re-filled.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:29 PM ET


As if hockeysfuture is the end all, be all of prospect rankings. That website (frank)ing BLOWS

See, I can bold words for the sake of enthusiasm as well.

As long as were finding players like Matt Read for free in the undrafted college FA market, those rankings can suck my left nut.

- mochoson

I know Button but 0 for 30 for Philly.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9601
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jul 31 @ 1:30 PM ET
Matt Karash: Which is more ridiculous? The Flyers/Paul Holmgren situation
- CarolinaMatt63

holy poop look at all the hits you finally got.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Jul 31 @ 1:30 PM ET
Philly 29th here

http://www.hockeyprospect...rticle.php?articleid=1553
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jul 31 @ 1:31 PM ET
better get a goaltender for the nets then....
- BingoLady


Price against ottawa what a (frank)ing choker...
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