Team with the most money wins is always the best.
- Al Hacker

Its not like the Oilers are broke. Teams that can't compete on their own shouldn't be in the league. Pretty simple concept. If there is going to be revenue sharing then there should be some incentive for teams that are properly run( in the sense of financials only, not on ice decisions). Or there should be some sort of clause or rule that penalizes teams that constantly spend as little as possible, don't ice a competitive team, and sit back and watch the revenue sharing roll in.
And of course there is now talk of expansion. Brilliant.

Team with the most money wins is always the best.
- Al Hacker

Yes it would be terrible if all the teams had to survive on their own, Just barbaric.

Its not like the Oilers are broke. Teams that can't compete on their own shouldn't be in the league. Pretty simple concept. If there is going to be revenue sharing then there should be some incentive for teams that are properly run( in the sense of financials only, not on ice decisions). Or there should be some sort of clause or rule that penalizes teams that constantly spend as little as possible, don't ice a competitive team, and sit back and watch the revenue sharing roll in.
And of course there is now talk of expansion. Brilliant.
- Marshalle

Oilers are a cap team, but can't attract the top free agents because of geography, it really isn't that difficult to understand. Without a cap, Canadian teams have no chance.

Yes it would be terrible if all the teams had to survive on their own, Just barbaric.
- Marshalle

Oilers are profitable, not the issue.

Oilers are a cap team, but can't attract the top free agents because of geography, it really isn't that difficult to understand. Without a cap, Canadian teams have no chance.
- Al Hacker

I don't think that is the case but I also don't care. Revenue sharing helps lead to the crap we just went through last summer, teams cooking the books, actively trying to show a loss so they qualify for a subsidy.
I ask again why should successful teams pay for teams that are run by terrible owners or are in terrible locations?

Oilers are a cap team, but can't attract the top free agents because of geography, it really isn't that difficult to understand. Without a cap, Canadian teams have no chance.
- Al Hacker

I don't think that is the case but I also don't care. Revenue sharing helps lead to the crap we just went through last summer, teams cooking the books, actively trying to show a loss so they qualify for a subsidy.
I ask again why should successful teams pay for teams that are run by terrible owners or are in terrible locations?
- Marshalle

You sure have a narrow view on things. Canadian teams are near the tops in profitability yet can't attract the top end talent. If you can't see that as an issue, then you are just plain blinded. Why should the league not be on a fair playing ground.

How's this for a proposal. Do away with subsidy all together. Teams can spend as much as they want. However, for every million dollars a team spends above the soft cap, they have to play short handed for same number of minutes per game. Makes it kind of fair then. (please note, I don't beleive this would work, just trying to paint a picture so you understand what it is like to play a game where you have no chance of winning)

You sure have a narrow view on things. Canadian teams are near the tops in profitability yet can't attract the top end talent. If you can't see that as an issue, then you are just plain blinded. Why should the league not be on a fair playing ground.

How's this for a proposal. Do away with subsidy all together. Teams can spend as much as they want. However, for every million dollars a team spends above the soft cap, they have to play short handed for same number of minutes per game. Makes it kind of fair then. (please note, I don't beleive this would work, just trying to paint a picture so you understand what it is like to play a game where you have no chance of winning)
- Al Hacker

So why don't we start to force FAs into markets that can't attract them? If team x scored 400 goals and team y scored 200 should we fix that imbalance with legislation then as well?
Besides if one team is penalized for having more money then it isn't a level playing field. The hard salary cap is the level playing field.
Nevermind that revenue sharing has nothing to do with whether or not a franchise is able to attract FAs. Ability to attract free agents isn't the same as ability to afford FAs.
As for your stupid suggestion, no. However the soft cap with a financial penalty is much better than a hard cap with the same. Much much better.

So why don't we start to force FAs into markets that can't attract them? If team x scored 400 goals and team y scored 200 should we fix that imbalance with legislation then as well?
Besides if one team is penalized for having more money then it isn't a level playing field. The hard salary cap is the level playing field.
Nevermind that revenue sharing has nothing to do with whether or not a franchise is able to attract FAs. Ability to attract free agents isn't the same as ability to afford FAs.
As for your stupid suggestion, no. However the soft cap with a financial penalty is much better than a hard cap with the same. Much much better.
- Marshalle

In 2012, 18 out of 30 teams were in the red. I am not interested in a 12 team league, and I bet you wouldn't be either.

actually I live in northern NJ, and was 14 years old when the devils moved to jersey, family has been a season ticket holder since day one. so I became a devils fan because the team showed up on my door step.
- devfan30

That's great. Prior to that there weren't any 2 teams nearby for whom you could have rooted. When I was 14, most of the players I considered my favorites were already in or near retirement. Now? I am...

So why don't we start to force FAs into markets that can't attract them? If team x scored 400 goals and team y scored 200 should we fix that imbalance with legislation then as well?
Besides if one team is penalized for having more money then it isn't a level playing field. The hard salary cap is the level playing field.
Nevermind that revenue sharing has nothing to do with whether or not a franchise is able to attract FAs. Ability to attract free agents isn't the same as ability to afford FAs.
As for your stupid suggestion, no. However the soft cap with a financial penalty is much better than a hard cap with the same. Much much better.
- Marshalle

You win, team with most money should win.

Yes it would be terrible if all the teams had to survive on their own, Just barbaric.
- Marshalle

League welfare should be like all welfare, replete with the complaints that the more affluent are more affluent.

You win, team with most money should win.
- Al Hacker

That's a bitter white flag wave

That's a bitter white flag wave
- Flyskippy

He seems to be fine with any system that allows his favourite team to have an advantage.

He seems to be fine with any system that allows his favourite team to have an advantage.
- Al Hacker

Yes thats it, no other team would have an advantage, only the Flyers.

In 2012, 18 out of 30 teams were in the red. I am not interested in a 12 team league, and I bet you wouldn't be either.
- FinAddict

Ya i believe that, 60 percent of teams lost money last year.

That's a bitter white flag wave
- Flyskippy

Edm. paying into revenue sharing somehow helps the Oilers attract Free Agents somehow.

Edm. paying into revenue sharing somehow helps the Oilers attract Free Agents somehow.
- Marshalle

Time to stop this conversation, you will never understand.

Reality: Since 2009, when the Penguins won their last Stanley Cup, they have won three playoff series. The Flyers have won five in that time, including one against the Pens
- Jsaquella

Yet when the Penguins last beat the Flyers in a playoff series, they won the cup. The Penguins have also not missed a playoff series since the 09 season. If beating the Pens and winning more playoff series than them is your goal, then celebrate. I would rather the team I root for win the cup, than measure success by simply beating a rival team in a playoff series. Since 08 the Pens have been to two Cup Finals, and an Eastern Conference Final, winning a Cup in 09. Pretty successful if you ask me.

This thread is beyond useless. of course, it has now accumualted more replies to this posting than 20 to 30 of his Canes threads combined!

Wall Street is raking in the money because businesses are cutting FTEs and going to part time workers they no longer need to provide benefits for. It's great for big business, but the unions and the normal Joe/Jane are getting screwed.
- jstross

The point I was trying to make is that the executives that were responsible for pushing the derivative/mortgage crisis at the top, major failed financial institutions (Bear Stearns, Lehman, Freddie/Fannie), are now almost all back working the exact same positions at other major, essential financial institutions...

Seems like a lot of GMs/coaches are similarly "too good to fail"...

Its easy to take an outside approach.

Lets look at in more in depth.

Starting- The trades of Jeff Carter and Mike Richards:
These two were the two guys the org. was going to build around. Unfortunately, there were some changes in their games, character and what have you. Fortunately, around the same time came the emergence of Claude Giroux. So prior to having two massive life long contracts kick into full gear, Homer decided to change things up. The package he received in return ends up amounting to: Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, Jakub Voracek, Sean Couturier, Nicklas Grossmann, Nick Cousins, and Shayne Gostisbehere. Thats a hell of a job by a GM to get that massive haul for TWO players.


Excellent post Jak. Read that Matt Karish and go find a bridge to jump off of. I guess the Canes are so boring you have to start writing about an exciting team like the Flyers. Flyers and for that I can't really blame you.
Ilya Bryzgalov mess. Indeed it is a mess, and most of that can be attributed to Ed Snider. He practically forced Homer to sign Bryz at all costs. Homer should have said no.. and told Snider he had a job to do, but he didnt. Tertiary blame can be given to Laviolette for his terrible handling of Bobrovsky.

As for buying out Bryz and Briere, he did what any smart GM would do in that situation. He bought out the people who provide the least amount of bang for their buck.

The Pronger story is a sad one. I have little doubt he could have played that contract out, had it not been for an errant stick to the eye.
- jak521

[quote=flyerdude17]
Excellent post Jak. Read that Matt Karish and go find a bridge to jump off of. I guess the Canes are so boring you have to start writing about an exciting team like the Flyers. Flyers and for that I can't really blame you.
Ilya Bryzgalov mess. Indeed it is a mess, and most of that can be attributed to Ed Snider. He practically forced Homer to sign Bryz at all costs. Homer should have said no.. and told Snider he had a job to do, but he didnt. Tertiary blame can be given to Laviolette for his terrible handling of Bobrovsky.