This is just too funny!
- KB3Point0

I fully wasn't paying attention as to which person actually started claiming that +/- is an important stat when determining their contract size and it wasn't bluechip, it was you, please explain exactly how +/- is a stat that GM's look at when determining contracts?

When did I say that? I never did. So please get your facts straight before you make stuff up.
- Bluechip23

I don't think he has the ability to comprehend, you know... stuff. Nor the ability to formulate an argument that isn't, you know... really dumb.

I fully wasn't paying attention as to which person actually started claiming that +/- is an important stat when determining their contract size and it wasn't bluechip, it was you, please explain exactly how +/- is a stat that GM's look at when determining contracts?
- annoyance_101

I already did. It's a valuable stat in helping to determine a player's value. It is not the most important, nor the least important. It needs to be put into context as well, but so do all stats. It is a tool used to help identify a player's value and the contribution they make on the ice.

I feel bad for professional athletes who work hard and put in tonnes of effort over decades just to have a few people spout off about negative experiences they witnessed with absolutely zero context whatsoever. Gretzky's a horrible guy because one time he only signed 5 autographs for kids and not for the 50 others who were waiting? Could he have been sick, hurt, tired, having a bad day, or seen his daughter post more pics of herself on instagram? Maybe signing 100s of autographs everywhere he goes is just a little too much even for The Great One?

And guess what, it isn't their job. That is the extra bit they do outside of their job for the fans.
- KB3Point0

I gave you the context, I gave you the exact situation that it had happened...sick, hurt, tired, having a bad day?.......you wanna know what he did next? went to McDonalds with his family...because that is where the kids went to next and coincidentally ran in to him again...if you are sick, hurt, tired, or having a bad day, is McDonalds the place you go to fix all that?

I already did. It's a valuable stat in helping to determine a player's value. It is not the most important, nor the least important. It needs to be put into context as well, but so do all stats. It is a tool used to help identify a player's value and the contribution they make on the ice.
- KB3Point0

Just a question who would you rather have. Im gonna make up stats here.

Player A

G- 100
A - 105
+/- = -25

Player B

G - 85
A - 95
+/- = +30


I would always take player A and I would pay him more.

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I don't think he has the ability to comprehend, you know... stuff. Nor the ability to formulate an argument that isn't, you know... really dumb.
- KB3Point0

So then tell everyone how Lou gave Kovalchuk 100 million dollars because of his stellar defensive play based on his +/-... Cause it obviously had a lot to do with why he was paid so nicely...

Rumblings of an expansion team coming to Seattle in 2014-2015. 2 Words. Awe Some
- vancity787

I read that this morning...that really would be awesome, but I truly believe they need to drop the dead weight in phoenix and nashville before thinking of expansion...

I gave you the context, I gave you the exact situation that it had happened...sick, hurt, tired, having a bad day?.......you wanna know what he did next? went to McDonalds with his family...because that is where the kids went to next and coincidentally ran in to him again...if you are sick, hurt, tired, or having a bad day, is McDonalds the place you go to fix all that?
- annoyance_101

HE WENT OUT WITH HIS FAMILY??? You think he's such an a**hole because he didn't stand around for another hour signing autographs because he wanted to spend time with his family???

100% agree. If you think a professional athlete is a role model then you have crappy parents. They are paid to play a sport not to sign your autograph.
- Bluechip23

SOME professional athletes are role models, just that MOST give everyone a bad name.

Just a question who would you rather have. Im gonna make up stats here.

Player A

G- 100
A - 105
+/- = -25

Player B

G - 85
A - 95
+/- = +30


I would always take player A and I would pay him more.
- Bluechip23

Exactly, and again I apologize now that I've realized I was arguing with the wrong person all along

It was a joke u tools.

I thought the ban and 'how dare you' would be the clincher. But apparently not
- hugefemale dog77

I noticed the sarcasm, b!tch-cakes.

SOME professional athletes are role models, just that MOST give everyone a bad name.
- immature_male

Totally agree but I think its so hard to pick and choose who is that good guy. Most likely they will fail you. Look at MJ. As a parent I hope my kid never looks to any athlete to be a role model. I hope he will follow and strive to be like VANTEL.

Just a question who would you rather have. Im gonna make up stats here.

Player A

G- 100
A - 105
+/- = -25

Player B

G - 85
A - 95
+/- = +30


I would always take player A and I would pay him more.
- Bluechip23

I already said that stats are only tool used to HELP judge a player's value and contribution. You need context. By even putting forward this option you are showing that you just don't get it.

By the way, in regards to these options, Player A could easily be Todd Bertuzzi and Player B could easily be Pavel Datsyuk (in their primes). Would you have taken Bertuzzi over Datsyuk?

Exactly, and again I apologize now that I've realized I was arguing with the wrong person all along
- annoyance_101

Accepted. It all started when I said Kessel might get 8mil. KB3 pointed out that he will never come close.

I countered with Kessel has outscored perry and getzlaf over the last 3 yrs.

He countered with the +/- stat saying kessel wont get 8mil because his plus minus is crap compared to those 2. The rest of the debate was a gong show as per hockeybuzz usual.

HE WENT OUT WITH HIS FAMILY??? You think he's such an a**hole because he didn't stand around for another hour signing autographs because he wanted to spend time with his family???
- KB3Point0

When your name is Wayne Gretzky and you give the impression to a group of kids in a wheelchair that you do not give 2 poops about them, do you really believe that it helps the game grow to act that way? Why do you think Seguin was shipped out of Boston so fast? Could it be that he was an bumhole? Yes, not everything has to do with players on ice play...ESPECIALLY when are known as one of, if not the best player to ever play the game...and that was just 1 instance that happened with him, if that happens on a regular basis, do you really think that people are going to want to watch him play? I know that after I saw the way he acted, I intentionally did not watch him again after that...it was soon before he retired mind you but none the less...when you give people the impression that you just dont care about them, they aren't going to want to support you, and yes fans are the ones that pay the players salary through purchasing tickets...

So then tell everyone how Lou gave Kovalchuk 100 million dollars because of his stellar defensive play based on his +/-... Cause it obviously had a lot to do with why he was paid so nicely...
- annoyance_101

A) Players get stupid contracts all the time
B) I only said that +/- is one tool to help assess a players' value
C) Your argument is really, really dumb

Accepted. It all started when I said Kessel might get 8mil. KB3 pointed out that he will never come close.

I countered with Kessel has outscored perry and getzlaf over the last 3 yrs.

He countered with the +/- stat saying kessel wont get 8mil because his plus minus is crap compared to those 2. The rest of the debate was a gong show as per hockeybuzz usual.
- Bluechip23

No, I countered saying that both Perry and Getzlaf were better all round players than Kessel, which you agreed with. The +/- stat was just an example of one stat that helps show that. I never said they were better because they had better +/-.

I already said that stats are only tool used to HELP judge a player's value and contribution. You need context. By even putting forward this option you are showing that you just don't get it.

By the way, in regards to these options, Player A could easily be Todd Bertuzzi and Player B could easily be Pavel Datsyuk (in their primes). Would you have taken Bertuzzi over Datsyuk?
- KB3Point0

I wasnt trying to argue with you I just gave you a scenario and asked for your opinion. Put your guard down and just enjoy the discussion.

You so defensive. Just relax and enjoy the discussion.

I wasnt trying to argue with you I just gave you a scenario and asked for your opinion. Put your guard down and just enjoy the discussion.

You so defensive. Just relax and enjoy the discussion.
- Bluechip23

I have actually enjoyed the discussion with you. The other guy though...

A) Players get stupid contracts all the time
B) I only said that +/- is one tool to help assess a players' value
C) Your argument is really, really dumb
- KB3Point0

+/- does nothing to assess a players value...I'd take kovalchuk over most players in the league currently, yet his +/- blows...it is by far the most useless stat you can use to assess a players value...

When did I say that? I never did. So please get your facts straight before you make stuff up.
- Bluechip23

Somehow that statement doesn't work. Isn't 'facts' the opposite of 'making stuff up'?

I have actually enjoyed the discussion with you. The other guy though...
- KB3Point0

Fair enough. one of the few people that has valid points on this site.

Somehow that statement doesn't work. Isn't 'facts' the opposite of 'making stuff up'?
- bloatedmosquito

LOL. Just re-read that. My bad.

Maybe we should start debating Corsi as well.
- immature_male

Haven' seen Kent here in a long time