That's a tough one. Some coaches deserve to be rewarded for making the most out of what they have on their roster. Joel Q did a great job with what he had, he also had considerable more talent than Maclean and did not have to overcome all of the injuries to top end talent either.
- immature_male

Sure, but he was on pace for one of the greatest seasons in the history of the NHL. In 48 games they only lost 7 in regulation time. He also had a bunch of injuries to star players to overcome. Hossa, Sharp, Bolland & Crawford all missed significant time. He enabled Ray Emery to go 17-1!

Huh?
- hugefemale dog77

Huh what?

lmao
Klefbom isn't in the same tier as Gardiner.
Morrow isn't as good a prospect as you think, ask Pens fans.
- JVR2112

As a bluechip prospect that hasnt yet played in the nhl in relation to jake before he played in the nhl?
Of course he's comparable... He was picked 2 spots lower than jake, and has played multiple years against pros now.

As far as this very moment yes jake has to be higher. But not at the same time frame

Huh what?
- KB3Point0

U disagree with prendergast being a bad scout?
And what does kessel/getzlaf have to do with the post u disagreed with?

Sure, but he was on pace for one of the greatest seasons in the history of the NHL. In 48 games they only lost 7 in regulation time. He also had a bunch of injuries to star players to overcome. Hossa, Sharp, Bolland & Crawford all missed significant time. He enabled Ray Emery to go 17-1!
- KB3Point0

I agree Joel had a great year. His injuries did not hurt his defense, like losing a Norris trophy winner. When Hossa and Sharp were out they still had Kane and Toews. When Spezza and Michalek were out what names did OTT have? They did not really have a "top line", but 4 even lines who all had to work hard.

U disagree with prendergast being a bad scout?
And what does kessel/getzlaf have to do with the post u disagreed with?
- hugefemale dog77

No, looked like you were referring to Kessel's record of futility being so bad.

I agree Joel had a great year. His injuries did not hurt his defense, like losing a Norris trophy winner. When Hossa and Sharp were out they still had Kane and Toews. When Spezza and Michalek were out what names did OTT have? They did not really have a "top line", but 4 even lines who all had to work hard.
- immature_male

Ottawa did so well because Craig Anderson stood on his freakin' head. The same way AV won a Jack Adams in 2007. He won because Luongo stood on his head. Chicago had a better team, but they also finished 21 points ahead of Ottawa in the standings. That's 36 points over an 82 game schedule!!! You know who else didn't have the reigning Norris trophy winner? Chicago.

Ottawa did so well because Craig Anderson stood on his freakin' head. The same way AV won a Jack Adams in 2007. He won because Luongo stood on his head. Chicago had a better team, but they also finished 21 points ahead of Ottawa in the standings. That's 36 points over an 82 game schedule!!! You know who else didn't have the reigning Norris trophy winner? Chicago.
- KB3Point0

Anderson also was out for awhile and the 2 backups stepped up their game.

CHI does not have the reigning Norris winner, but they do have Keith who has won it before. IMO CHI has a better defense than OTT.

IMO the Jack Adams does not need to go to the team with the most points. I also agree with an earlier statement about other coaches who deserved recognition and did not get nominated.

Anderson also was out for awhile and the 2 backups stepped up their game.

CHI does not have the reigning Norris winner, but they do have Keith who has won it before. IMO CHI has a better defense than OTT.

IMO the Jack Adams does not need to go to the team with the most points. I also agree with an earlier statement about other coaches who deserved recognition and did not get nominated.
- immature_male

just the same it doesn't need to go to the playoff team that had the most injuries. MacLean did a good job getting that team to play hard every night. but if their goaltending is just "good" instead of what it was, they would have been buried.

There's no way Kessel gets Perry / Getzlaf money. He might get more than he's worth, but $8M is ludicrous.
- KB3Point0

Why not? He outscored them both last two seasons did he not?

just the same it doesn't need to go to the playoff team that had the most injuries. MacLean did a good job getting that team to play hard every night. but if their goaltending is just "good" instead of what it was, they would have been buried.
- DoubleDown

If an NHL coach can get AHL players to get them into the playoffs he should be considered.

The sheer number of players playing in the NHL is not the only thing that determines the quality of the draft. The actual quality of those players is, and in that sense, no, it was not a strong draft. Not enough top end talent.
- KB3Point0

Disagree - I think you're simply more used to seeing drafts with those 2-3 superstars at the top, there's been quite a run of luck with franchise players in the 1st round from around 2004-2010, but I don't think that's the norm:

04:Ovechkin/Malkin
05:Crosby
06:Toews/Giroux
07:None really, Kane/Kessel are stars but not franchise players.
08:Stamkos/Doughty/Karlsson, probably Pietrangelo soon.
09:Tavares

10-12 - too early to judge most guys, but so far only Hall looks like a potential franchise player.

13: I actually feel safe calling Nathan MacKinnon a future franchise player, the others we'll see.

14: Connor McDavid has potential.

Disagree - I think you're simply more used to seeing drafts with those 2-3 superstars at the top, there's been quite a run of luck with franchise players in the 1st round from around 2004-2010, but I don't think that's the norm:

04:Ovechkin/Malkin
05:Crosby
06:Toews/Giroux
07:None really, Kane/Kessel are stars but not franchise players.
08:Stamkos/Doughty/Karlsson, probably Pietrangelo soon.
09:Tavares

10-12 - too early to judge most guys, but so far only Hall looks like a potential franchise player.

13: I actually feel safe calling Nathan MacKinnon a future franchise player, the others we'll see.

14: Connor McDavid has potential.
- TommyDeVito

McDavid is 2015, isn't he?

Biggest joke of a trophy in sports. The fact that the Blackhawks were on pace to set records for points in a season and Quennville lost is brutal.
- KB3Point0

The blackhawks are completely (frank)ing loaded though, I hardly think if you replaced the coach they would have crashed and burned.

It would be like giving it to Babcock in 2002 when his roster had 10 current or future hall of famers on it.

McDavid is 2015, isn't he?
- buffalofan19

You may be right on that.

don't understand the love MacLean gets. guy lost all his offensive firepower because of injury. team couldn't score goals for poop, as expected. they make the playoffs in 7th place because they get the best goaltending in the conference. all of a sudden MacLean is a genius.

thougha a lot of other coaches did a better job than him.

Quenneville
Babcock
Boudreau
Oates
Capuano (they have Tavares but that lineup is still a mess)
maybe even Carlyle and Therrien.
- DoubleDown

He did a pretty good job coaching them past Montreal in the playoffs, sounds like you might still be a little bit sour about it.

Ottawa did so well because Craig Anderson stood on his freakin' head. The same way AV won a Jack Adams in 2007. He won because Luongo stood on his head. Chicago had a better team, but they also finished 21 points ahead of Ottawa in the standings. That's 36 points over an 82 game schedule!!! You know who else didn't have the reigning Norris trophy winner? Chicago.
- KB3Point0

Craig Anderson played only half a season, but whatever you say boss.

Anderson also was out for awhile and the 2 backups stepped up their game.

CHI does not have the reigning Norris winner, but they do have Keith who has won it before. IMO CHI has a better defense than OTT.

IMO the Jack Adams does not need to go to the team with the most points. I also agree with an earlier statement about other coaches who deserved recognition and did not get nominated.
- immature_male

Of course it shouldn't automatically go to the coach with the most points, but we're talking about the coach who's team was on pace for potentially the most points in the history of the NHL.

Why not? He outscored them both last two seasons did he not?
- TommyDeVito

So contracts should be based solely on points then?

The blackhawks are completely (frank)ing loaded though, I hardly think if you replaced the coach they would have crashed and burned.

It would be like giving it to Babcock in 2002 when his roster had 10 current or future hall of famers on it.
- TommyDeVito

In 2002 Mike Babcock was still a coach in the AHL.

Scotty Bowman's 2002 Red Wings team is a great comparison. That team went 51-17-10-4. 116 points.

The Blackhawks were on pace to go 61-12-9. 131 points.

It isn't that they would have crashed and burned, it's how completely dominant they were all season long. That is the mark of excellent coaching. Quenneville was robbed.

Craig Anderson played only half a season, but whatever you say boss.
- TommyDeVito

You're right, Ottawa also needs to give credit to the 9-15 teams who were disgracefully bad last year.

Ian Esplen: Rewind: The '07 Draft
Rewind: The '07 Draft
- IanEsplen

yep, that was what caused the oilers to completely bottom out.

Think about the difference between Gagner, Plante and Nash and say Couture, Pacioretty and Perron!

Hey Micah, you were mentioning the other day that insults that referenced homophobia or incest were unacceptable. I was wondering if that left bestiality & necrophilia on the table?
- Marwood

yep, that was what caused the oilers to completely bottom out.

Think about the difference between Gagner, Plante and Nash and say Couture, Pacioretty and Perron!
- Morris

But then we dont get nuge or yakupov. Maybe not even hall depending on quickly they succeed in edm.

In 2002 Mike Babcock was still a coach in the AHL.

Scotty Bowman's 2002 Red Wings team is a great comparison. That team went 51-17-10-4. 116 points.

The Blackhawks were on pace to go 61-12-9. 131 points.

It isn't that they would have crashed and burned, it's how completely dominant they were all season long. That is the mark of excellent coaching. Quenneville was robbed.
- KB3Point0

Well Bowman didn't win the (frank)ing Adams, either.