A little birdie says the Wild lost $30 million during their abbreviated 2012-13 season, and a cash call was made to team investors in February. The Wild paid bonuses totaling $20 million to sign free agents Zach Parise and Ryan Suter.
Even with the 1st round playoff gate they lost that much. - Bluechip23
People don't talk about it (because they don't care about minny) but they basically screwed that franchise by signing those two players.
He had a specific reason to float around, a lot of players did that, the year following, did you realize that Naslund never played the same because of Steve Moores hit on him? that also had something to do with the team getting screwed up so badly after that incident...in fact that probably had more to do with it than Bertuzzi himself as a player...Naslund was more important to that line than Bertuzzi in their prime... - annoyance_101
Sure. They were absolutely screwed. The league doesn't want players policing themselves, but they also don't want to do it for them. Awful policy which led directly to "the incident." Just saying that Bertuzzi played much worse that season than he did in previous years. You couldn't tell by his points, but his +/- showed a significant difference.
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Jul 31 @ 10:35 PM ET
Sure. They were absolutely screwed. The league doesn't want players policing themselves, but they also don't want to do it for them. Awful policy which led directly to "the incident." Just saying that Bertuzzi played much worse that season than he did in previous years. You couldn't tell by his points, but his +/- showed a significant difference. - KB3Point0
That said, I agree, any sport where you have to score 10,000 points doesn't exactly provide for compelling viewing.
Of course nothing compares to the mind-numbing and masochistic experience that is watching baseball (is it October yet? ) - Zogg
When he came back? That is when I'm referring to...he had the chance...instead bertuzzi did it for him, in an absolute insane way - annoyance_101
He was still injured. He played through his shoulder injury and likely through a concussion. He definitely shouldn't have been trying to fight someone on top of that. But that isn't his job either. If someone blindsided Datsyuk nobody would expect him to drop the gloves with the guy later.
No, Naslund was concussed and injured his shoulder when Moore blindsided him. He can not be responsible for not sticking up for himself. - KB3Point0
I'm not saying he should have jumped up from that hit and started throwing knuckles but, in general, some players need to stand up for themselves a little more. How can a person make it to the NHL and not learn how to fight (even just a little bit).
When he came back? That is when I'm referring to...he had the chance...instead bertuzzi did it for him, in an absolute insane way - annoyance_101
The biggest problem was that Matt Cooke (worst fighter outside of maybe Semin) was the 1st to challenge Moore to a fight, and Moore won. That enraged the fans and the team even more. Then Bertuzzi went full retard. You don't ever go full retard!
He was still injured. He played through his shoulder injury and likely through a concussion. He definitely shouldn't have been trying to fight someone on top of that. But that isn't his job either. If someone blindsided Datsyuk nobody would expect him to drop the gloves with the guy later. - KB3Point0
I disagree 100%. I'm not talking enforcement. I'm talking about taking care of business. Doesn't have to be a fight at centre ice.
I'm not saying he should have jumped up from that hit and started throwing knuckles but, in general, some players need to stand up for themselves a little more. How can a person make it to the NHL and not learn how to fight (even just a little bit). - bloatedmosquito
How good a fighter is Datsyuk? How about Zetterberg? Patrick Kane? Bergeron? Hossa? Malkin? St Louis? Stamkos? Parise? Jagr? Selanne? Lemieux? Gretzky?
I disagree 100%. I'm not talking enforcement. I'm talking about taking care of business. Doesn't have to be a fight at centre ice.
Got to love #10. - bloatedmosquito
Well I happen to 100% disagree with you too!
It's the league's job to do that or the team can get a tough guy to do it (which I do not have a problem with). It is not the superstar's job to do that. If one of the Sedins cranked someone in the face with their stick I would love it, but it would not change anything. It actually might make things worse for them as players knew they would react and take stupid penalties.
How good a fighter is Datsyuk? How about Zetterberg? Patrick Kane? Bergeron? Hossa? Malkin? St Louis? Stamkos? Parise? Jagr? Selanne? Lemieux? Gretzky? - KB3Point0
It's the league's job to do that or the team can get a tough guy to do it (which I do not have a problem with). It is not the superstar's job to do that. If one of the Sedins cranked someone in the face with their stick I would love it, but it would not change anything. It actually might make things worse for them as players knew they would react and take stupid penalties. - KB3Point0
It's not someone's job to stand up for himself? I don't understand that rational.
If I told my son not to defend himself because someone else will do it for him then I'm raising a victim.
I know what your saying but in a NHL that's quickly phasing out 'the enforcer' I believe you need to be able to answer the bell when needed. No one should fight your battles for you. That's your own responsibility.
That's why pukes like Marchand can take liberties with a Sedin. No repercussions.
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Jul 31 @ 11:12 PM ET
The biggest problem was that Matt Cooke (worst fighter outside of maybe Semin) was the 1st to challenge Moore to a fight, and Moore won. That enraged the fans and the team even more. Then Bertuzzi went full retard. You don't ever go full retard! - KB3Point0
I'd be the first to admit that Cooke was nothing but damaging to the Canucks, and league..
I'm pretty positive that this girl could beat the snot out of Cooke
It's not someone's job to stand up for himself? I don't understand that rational.
If I told my son not to defend himself because someone else will do it for him then I'm raising a victim.
I know what your saying but in a NHL that's quickly phasing out 'the enforcer' I believe you need to be able to answer the bell when needed. No one should fight your battles for you. That's your own responsibility.
That's why pukes like Marchand can take liberties with a Sedin. No repercussions. - bloatedmosquito
That's such an old school way of looking at the NHL. If Marchand (or any other player) knew that by goading one of the Sedins they were likely to take a stupid penalty they'd do it even more. If an enforcer (Kassian, Sestito) did it it would be more effective (better to have an enforcer in the box than a superstar) but only minimally (still short handed).
You can't get away with the Bure on Churla stuff anymore. Today Bure would be lucky to get 20 games or less for that. If a Canuck did it today they could easily expect 20+, maybe even the remainder of the season or more. It was blatant intent to injure, he jumped, he aimed for his head, and he ended Churla's career.
The guy I think could get away with it more than others, who I would love to see start punishing guys for taking liberties on him, is Luongo. Might think twice about charging the crease if that goalie stick was going to accidentally on purpose greet your teeth every time.
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Jul 31 @ 11:16 PM ET
The biggest problem was that Matt Cooke (worst fighter outside of maybe Semin) was the 1st to challenge Moore to a fight, and Moore won. That enraged the fans and the team even more. Then Bertuzzi went full retard. You don't ever go full retard! - KB3Point0
Cooke was probably the 10th to challenge Moore. He was the only one Moore accepted.
I find it so ironic that the 1st time (of 2) that Cooke mans up and tries to do the right thing he actually just hindered the right thing. He should have just let May do his job. Mayday was on fire that game if you recall (2 goals). He would have put a legal ass kicking on Moore and that would have been the end of it. "The code" does not require you to fight and fight and fight until you lose.
Cooke was probably the 10th to challenge Moore. He was the only one Moore accepted. - golfingsince
They fought 6:30 into the game. It was right off the face off and probably only his 2nd shift of the game. May had just fought so he hadn't had a chance yet. Moore seized the chance to fight Cooke, but the game had just started and he hadn't had a chance to be challenged by more than 1 other player.
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Jul 31 @ 11:30 PM ET
They fought 6:30 into the game. It was right off the face off and probably only his 2nd shift of the game. May had just fought so he hadn't had a chance yet. Moore seized the chance to fight Cooke, but the game had just started and he hadn't had a chance to be challenged by more than 1 other player. - KB3Point0
Think what you want. People were on Moore for the remainder of the game in Denver and in his face again the next game. Every time he skated away I was furious. Finally, he fought Cooke. I mostly think he did this because he figured it was a fight he could compete in and because Cooke was so hated. To suggest Cooke was the first to challenge Moore is completely false.
Worst pick of the draft has to be either Hickey at 4 or Hamill at 8, both might make a minor impact next year though, so we will see. It's one of them no doubt though.
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Jul 31 @ 11:33 PM ET
I honestly felt like I was on some sorta drugs while i was watching that game, and it happened on my birthday too...i was like what the hell did i just watch?
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Jul 31 @ 11:36 PM ET
Worst pick of the draft has to be either Hickey at 4 or Hamill at 8, both might make a minor impact next year though, so we will see. It's one of them no doubt though. - TheLeafsInsider
Nick Ross, Patrick White, those 2 also come to mind...Hickey will not be the worst
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