I think colborne at his contract with bolland and mclemmant make a great 3rd line. Kule won't get a sniff of PP time, and even on the PK he is replaceable now. His contract isn't worth his playing time. He has value and I think could be packaged with maybe, Reimer and a D prospect to get a solid D for us (after we move Liles of course).

I liked what colborne brought in the playoffs, he looked far less soft and I think given the right circumstances could be an effective player for us.
- clark_griswold

Kule >>>>>> Colborne

Kule is faster, better defensively and offensively than Colborne. Kule is going to have to play even more on the PK now because Komarov is gone. Carlyle trusts him. I do agree with you that Reimer is on his way out though.

You don't know what you are talking about. The flames would get a 1st and a mid (meh) prospect for Glencross at the trade dealine. Glencross has one of, if not the best value contracts in the league. He is not a 3rd liner at best. He is a player that can play up and down a teams lineup depending what they want him for. If they want him for speed and scoring he fits in the top 6. If they want him for gritty play on the 3rd line he fits.

Watch more hockey teams other than Toronto and you might be able to bring something in discussion in the future about players that don't play on the leafs.
- nigelwright275

He's a troll bro! Don't feed the troll!!

...Ive been called worse.
- Colin Dambrauskas

DB?

Kule >>>>>> Colborne

Kule is faster, better defensively and offensively than Colborne. Kule is going to have to play even more on the PK now because Komarov is gone. Carlyle trusts him. I do agree with you that Reimer is on his way out though.
- kings31879

Kule >>> Colborne

Maybe right now with respect to importance to the Leafs...but you are comparing two different players who play two different roles. Not really a fair comparison for either player.

DB?
- The-O-G

...yes.

Kule >>> Colborne

Maybe right now with respect to importance to the Leafs...but you are comparing two different players who play two different roles. Not really a fair comparison for either player.
- Colin Dambrauskas

There roles are not too different, they are both probably two way players on this team. Both would probably be on the third line wing.

Kule >>>>>> Colborne

Kule is faster, better defensively and offensively than Colborne. Kule is going to have to play even more on the PK now because Komarov is gone. Carlyle trusts him. I do agree with you that Reimer is on his way out though.
- kings31879

kule will be asking for $3mil plus, colborne makes below 1 mil. This isn't the roster of 2 years ago where kule was playing PP , PK and 2nd line minutes. Is kule better? absolutely but he has trade value and will not be worth the money on OUR team. Another team could take kule and give him the minutes we used to is my point.

kule will be asking for $3mil plus, colborne makes below 1 mil. This isn't the roster of 2 years ago where kule was playing PP , PK and 2nd line minutes. Is kule better? absolutely but he has trade value and will not be worth the money on OUR team. Another team could take kule and give him the minutes we used to is my point.
- clark_griswold

Kulemin will be given more minutes and opportunities this year I think. Pair him up with Bolland on the third line and you have a very effective shutdown line who can score. He should also see plenty of PK time with McClement.

kule will be asking for $3mil plus, colborne makes below 1 mil. This isn't the roster of 2 years ago where kule was playing PP , PK and 2nd line minutes. Is kule better? absolutely but he has trade value and will not be worth the money on OUR team. Another team could take kule and give him the minutes we used to is my point.
- clark_griswold

I would give him $3 million. Even if he plays 15 minutes a game, plays on the PK. In saying that, if a team offers a top 4 young defenceman for Reimer, Kulemin and something you cannot say no.

He's a troll bro! Don't feed the troll!!
- The-O-G

Geez, the whole fanbase drank the koolaid.

I hear ya...I at least know you aren't trolling.

But in the past 3 seasons Glencross has really stepped up his game. He has shown the ability to score thirty in the past few seasons as well. Might have gotten there 2 years ago if he played a full season and was on pace for over 30 last year. Not only that but his cap hit is only 2.5 for this year and next. I think it could be argued that his contract might be one of the best in the league. I believe that under these circumstances Glencross would fetch more than Iginla did last year. I know he isn't a superstar, but he is exactly what a team who is trying to make a deep run would want.
- The-O-G

This - Glencross has a lot to offer to the Flames and or any team who may be interested in his services. He is arguably one of the Flames biggest trade chips right now but I think he's a guy you want to keep in your locker room while rebuilding.

I would give him $3 million. Even if he plays 15 minutes a game, plays on the PK. In saying that, if a team offers a top 4 young defenceman for Reimer, Kulemin and something you cannot say no.
- kings31879

that's the exact trade i was thinking. Reimer, kule and say, matt finn for a good top 3-4 D is much more helpful than reimer on the bench and kule on our 3rd line. Colborne replaces kule

that's the exact trade i was thinking. Reimer, kule and say, matt finn for a good top 3-4 D is much more helpful than reimer on the bench and kule on our 3rd line. Colborne replaces kule
- clark_griswold

I disagree...Kulemin is a big hitting, fast skating, defensively responsible winger...where Colborne is a big centerman with hands, good passing, ok skating and has a lot of work to do on his defensive play. Wouldn't compare the two, personally.

I hear ya...I at least know you aren't trolling.

But in the past 3 seasons Glencross has really stepped up his game. He has shown the ability to score thirty in the past few seasons as well. Might have gotten there 2 years ago if he played a full season and was on pace for over 30 last year. Not only that but his cap hit is only 2.5 for this year and next. I think it could be argued that his contract might be one of the best in the league. I believe that under these circumstances Glencross would fetch more than Iginla did last year. I know he isn't a superstar, but he is exactly what a team who is trying to make a deep run would want.
- The-O-G

Glencross has not played a full season since? The answer is never has..

Sure, he has a good cap hit at 2.55 per, but he is on the wrong side of 30 and wouldn't be on most teams top 6 group of forwards.

There is a chance a team might overpay for him at the deadline if they have injuries to deal with, but I don't think he is worth a 1st

I disagree...Kulemin is a big hitting, fast skating, defensively responsible winger...where Colborne is a big centerman with hands, good passing, ok skating and has a lot of work to do on his defensive play. Wouldn't compare the two, personally.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Kule is great, not denying that. I just think the pieces he brings back in a package with reimer help the squad more than him playing the minutes he will with james on the bench.

I disagree...Kulemin is a big hitting, fast skating, defensively responsible winger...where Colborne is a big centerman with hands, good passing, ok skating and has a lot of work to do on his defensive play. Wouldn't compare the two, personally.
- Colin Dambrauskas

I agree with you there. He would replace his spot on the roster (third line winger), but not his role. Leafs need Kule this year, maybe Biggs will replace him next year.

Glencross has not played a full season since? The answer is never has..

Sure, he has a good cap hit at 2.55 per, but he is on the wrong side of 30 and wouldn't be on most teams top 6 group of forwards.

There is a chance a team might overpay for him at the deadline if they have injuries to deal with, but I don't think he is worth a 1st
- PatC80

He's played 74, 67, 79, 67, and 40 (Last year). Not an Ironman but he say's pretty healthy all things considered.

I didn't...you would give away Liles and Colborne for a 2nd rounder?
- Colin Dambrauskas

I wouldn't do it, not even close, but, I also see no reason for the Flames to take Liles salary for a 2nd rounder...

To CGY --> JM Liles, S Percy, 2nd Round Pick
To TOR --> M Cammalleri (50% contract retained by CGY)

Leaves cap room to sign Franson and Kadri, while giving you dynamic scoring threats on top 3 lines along left side when you add in JVR and Lupul. For Calgary this brings in veteran player, a good prospect and a high pick, creating more ice time for younger players. Why hold onto Cammalleri and risk injury before deadline, plus you are going to pay him that sunk salary anyways if you keep him until February. Very likely Cammalleri accepts the trade, though I am not clear on what protection Liles would have.
- Falcian

No thanks, keep that douche away from our team.

This - Glencross has a lot to offer to the Flames and or any team who may be interested in his services. He is arguably one of the Flames biggest trade chips right now but I think he's a guy you want to keep in your locker room while rebuilding.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Tough decision for the flames after this year with Glencross. After this year he will be going into his final year. I don't think he will take a value contract for his next contract, its the last chance he has to get payed. Also if he plays out the contract with the flames he will be looking at 6 years without the playoffs. Thats gotta take its toll on a professional athlete. I don't see them trading him this year, but maybe next summer, and no doubt in my mind he is traded before he becomes UFA.

No thanks, keep that douche away from our team.
- BetterCallSaul

exactly, we have zero use for another forward, especially that clown

For the record, not trolling. Glencross = Pouliot.

If you can get anything better than a 3rd for him, I'd take it now.
- jerseyleaf

WTF you talking about!!!!!!! The guy is a 20+ goal scorer for how many straight years all for a cap hit of 2.55mill. He hits & fights too. Try getting that for a 3rd round pick. Good luck & God bless. He's closer to Clarkson than Poulliot.

dominate the AHL? he's nowhere close to a PPG player in the AHL.
- DoubleDown

He was pretty close to a ppg guy after all the NHL players went back to work, he was also playing through an injury for a significant part of the year. Joe is on a 1 way contract, unlikely he is gonna be in the AHL anyways

I wouldn't do it, not even close, but, I also see no reason for the Flames to take Liles salary for a 2nd rounder...
- Lipchitz

Yeah they probably won't. I'd do Liles and Ashton for a second though. Not a big fan of his.

Got to think about future years as well. Buying out Liles will hurt the Leafs in a major way. The Leafs do not need Colborne, he is slow and not very good defensively. He is also pretty timid despite his size.

Getting rid of Liles, without taking on cap and acquiring some sort of value to this team now is worth Colborne.
- kings31879

I think its much too early to just give away Colborne because we are a bit tight cap wise.The kid is still only 23 and hasnt had a fair shake in the NHL yet. He is signed to a very reasonable 600k as well.

Liles buyout would be

2013-14: $875,000
2014-15: $875,000
2015-16: $2,375,000
2016-17: $1,250,000
2017-18: $1,250,000
2018-19: $1,250,000

obviously it would be better to just dump him for anything, just doubt nonis is giving up a former 1st rd pick just to save 875,000 on the cap.