Quit being so sensible you jackass
- The-O-G

liles for brodie. you retain half his already bargain salary though.

We already have 14 goalies...don't need 15
- The-O-G

who's your starter?

Gardiner for a full season I'm hoping will help elevate it further. But yeah, 14th isn't bad, considering how little they shot at times.
- jerseyleaf

Definitely easy to see improvement from last season. The Leafs hopefully will get full seasons from Lupul + Gardiner and another year with Carlyle's system should help the special teams. Fingers crossed at least.

who's your starter?
- clark_griswold

Ramo... (yikes)

who's your starter?
- clark_griswold

Don't need one

Toronto can't match because they have to sign Kadri, what don't you get? Also, he's not saying Franson will win the Norris, he's implying that if Franson holds out he'll eventually end up signing like Subban did for a more reasonable cap hit.
- JVR2112

Hard to believe I have to explain this to a Flyers fan, but:

The Leafs can certainly match. All teams are allowed to be 10% over the cap until training camp opens.

Ramo... (yikes)
- geta02it

Ha! there's a new thread asking my very question. Reimer would be a good fit for you guys, he's still very young and cheap. This is assuming Bernier wins the role, which it looks like management has already decided.

Would love to see Gio come to the buds in some sort of package involving Reimer.

This is my first comment ever. Long time lurker, but the stupidity in the above response forced me to contribute.

1. If Franson is seeking upwards of 3.34M (he's been reported as looking for close to 4M otherwise the Leafs would have signed him long term for ~3M ages ago), then any offer sheet between 3.35M-5.04M automatically comes with a 1st AND 3rd from the team that creates the offer sheet.

2. Burying him in the minor is an option, but not the best one since it only offers ~900K in savings.

3. What? Lol. You think he DOESN'T want to play in the NHL this year? Worst case scenario, he ends up going through the Subban route. Remember how that turned out?

4. I'm sorry, but you're a complete idiot if you think that Franson isn't worth more than a 3rd round pick. Seriously. Please stop being a fan of hockey because you give the sport a bad name. I mean, please remind me again how many d-men on the Flames put up 29 points in 45 games last year? Here's a link to help you figure that out: http://flames.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

5. Teams are still allowed REGULAR contract buyouts, but they count against the cap. So, YES, the Leafs CAN still buyout Liles' contract and it would actually only count as a 875K hit over the next two years (then it increases in Y3 and drops in Y4-6). Thanks for showing where YOUR knowledge base is.

These are only 5 VERY POSSIBLE options the Leafs have when it comes to Franson.

Seriously, please research and think before you post nonsense.
- vji67

I think he understands how the picks on an offer sheet work. What he was saying is no team is going to want to give up a 1st and a 3rd for Franson. Hence there will be no offer sheet.

If a team offers a 7th round pick for Liles without taking back salary I think it is a no brainer to do it. Liles hurts the Leafs with his cap hit and his playing style. The Leafs aren't coached by Ron Wilson anymore.

I would also offer up a mid-level prospect with Liles to get some value, a solid third line winger for example, not sure if Calgary has someone who fits that bill that they would want to trade though.
- kings31879

From a hockey trade perspective(helping both teams)


Liles, Colborne and a 4th in 2015 (traded 2014 to Chicago) for Curtis Glencross?

Colin Dambrauskas: Cody Franson - Could the Flames Help Out the Toronto Maple Leafs?
- Colin Dambrauskas

Liles + Colborne for Calgary's 2nd 2014 (if they have it) + 3rd 2015

From a hockey trade perspective(helping both teams)


Liles, Colborne and a 4th for Curtis Glencross?
- PatC80

I do that in a heartbeat, but we can't really take on any of Liles cap then. Glencross makes around 1.3 less than him.

dominate the AHL? he's nowhere close to a PPG player in the AHL.
- DoubleDown

In his defence, first half of the season he wasn't doing to well, as he recovered from wrist surgery.

Then apparently he felt a pop, which terrified him, but it turned out to be scar tissue disolving.

After that, his play really picked up.

http://www.thestar.com/sp...uries_for_six_months.html

Ha! there's a new thread asking my very question. Reimer would be a good fit for you guys, he's still very young and cheap. This is assuming Bernier wins the role, which it looks like management has already decided.

Would love to see Gio come to the buds in some sort of package involving Reimer.
- clark_griswold

The Flames have some question marks but also some possibilities in net, Ramo and Berra being both of them. One of those guys could turn out, if not they have Joey MacDonald as an emergency backup plan.

But they also have some really good prospects coming soon in Brossoit and Gillies (Gillies being the better of the 2) I think the 3 headed monster will get the Flames through the next 2 seasons or so until it's time to turn it over to our prospects.

From a hockey trade perspective(helping both teams)


Liles, Colborne and a 4th in 2015 (traded 2014 to Chicago) for Curtis Glencross?
- PatC80

I don't think the Flames would consider this.

Glencross would fetch a 1st, +, +, in a deadline deal.

I don't think the Flames would consider this.

Glencross would fetch a 1st, +, +, in a deadline deal.
- The-O-G

Okay, Cloutier.

Teams still have time to get under the cap....they could match, sign Kadri, and then make room somewhere else (i.e. trading Liles) which is what this blog was about.

Colin is also saying he is assuming the Leafs want to keep Franson. After what i've heard; young, big, strong, 2-way, yada, yada, yada, why in god's green earth would ANY team want to let a guy like this go???

It's still a mystery to me how Subban agreed to that deal...either way, I dont think Franson will sign something similar.
- The-O-G

Two-way is a bit optimistic.

He was third pairing with Fraser last year, playing incredibly guarded minutes.

The guy has great offensive instincts, but his other side of the game is still very much a work in progress.

I don't think the Flames would consider this.

Glencross would fetch a 1st, +, +, in a deadline deal.
- The-O-G

I don't think the Flames would do the deal either, I also don't think Glencross is worth THAT much

I don't think the Flames would consider this.

Glencross would fetch a 1st, +, +, in a deadline deal.
- The-O-G

Really?

Is it Jay Feaster trading for him?

I'm sorry you came out of your hole for this......

1. The offer sheet isn't going to come...even if it did, if Franson is SOOOOOO good as you proclaim (29 points in 45 games last year, YOWZAA) then the Leafs would match it! Hell that would be a bargain contract for them!

2. Agreed

3. Are you proposing that Franson is going to win the Norris next year?

4. Where did this 3rd round pick for Franson argument even come from?

5. Churrrrrch
- The-O-G

I'm sorry you can't follow a simple thread...

1. I never said some team would absolutely offer sheet Franson. In fact, predicting or discussing the chances of him actually being offer sheeted has nothing to do with what I was saying. If you actually read what I was responding to, then you'd realize I was trying to factually reject IggyOnly's notion that no would offer sheet at the cost of a 1st and 3rd. With that in mind, feel free to re-read my 1st bullet point from my first post.

2. Cool.

3. No. This one is probably my fault for being unclear, but to spell it out: Subban held out and didn't start the season with the Habs, yet he still eventually resigned. Using IggyOnly's logic, he should NEVER have wanted to resign with the Habs after sitting out part of the season, right?

(Are you keeping up so far? I imagine logic and reasoning is tough for all Flames fans based on IggyOnly's writing. I mean, that's how generalizing about an entire fan base works, right?)

4. I don't know, but once again I was responding to IggyOnly. Amazing how I'm beginning to sound like a broken record...did you miss reading comprehension lessons in high school or something?

5. I'm preaching to the choir? Glad that's the case, but IggyOnly clearly isn't in this congregation.

Btw, I don't know where you got that I "proclaimed" Franson being "SOOOOOOO good", but I'm glad you're impressed with Franson's 29 points. I think the last time a Flames d-man recorded 29 points was JayBo in 11-12 over 82 games. And just so you don't misinterpret what I'm saying, Franson will NOT win a Norris trophy ever. Yet, I would still take a 25 yr old d-man who scored at a .64 PPG pace over anyone from the Flames blue line.

Okay, Cloutier.
- jerseyleaf

Haha....please re-iterate how i'm off my rocker!

He's in his prime, good 2 way player, signed, great cap hit, 25-30 goals, gritty.......

He's better than Clarkson who the Leafs didn't have a problem giving the world to.....

Ha! there's a new thread asking my very question. Reimer would be a good fit for you guys, he's still very young and cheap. This is assuming Bernier wins the role, which it looks like management has already decided.

Would love to see Gio come to the buds in some sort of package involving Reimer.
- clark_griswold

Gio is one of the few bright spots we have and I don't see him being sent for anything short of an "impact player" whatever the hell that means on the Flames these days. Had an off year so hopefully that was a hiccup... Unless Bernier doesn't live up to the billing, I'd say Reimer stays, if not it would be interesting to see what interest is out there. Whats his cap hit? and who else do you guys have in the system if he goes to back up Bernier?

I'm sorry you can't follow a simple thread...

1. I never said some team would absolutely offer sheet Franson. In fact, predicting or discussing the chances of him actually being offer sheeted has nothing to do with what I was saying. If you actually read what I was responding to, then you'd realize I was trying to factually reject IggyOnly's notion that no would offer sheet at the cost of a 1st and 3rd. With that in mind, feel free to re-read my 1st bullet point from my first post.

2. Cool.

3. No. This one is probably my fault for being unclear, but to spell it out: Subban held out and didn't start the season with the Habs, yet he still eventually resigned. Using IggyOnly's logic, he should NEVER have wanted to resign with the Habs after sitting out part of the season, right?

(Are you keeping up so far? I imagine logic and reasoning is tough for all Flames fans based on IggyOnly's writing. I mean, that's how generalizing about an entire fan base works, right?)

4. I don't know, but once again I was responding to IggyOnly. Amazing how I'm beginning to sound like a broken record...did you miss reading comprehension lessons in high school or something?

5. I'm preaching to the choir? Glad that's the case, but IggyOnly clearly isn't in this congregation.

Btw, I don't know where you got that I "proclaimed" Franson being "SOOOOOOO good", but I'm glad you're impressed with Franson's 29 points. I think the last time a Flames d-man recorded 29 points was JayBo in 11-12 over 82 games. And just so you don't misinterpret what I'm saying, Franson will NOT win a Norris trophy ever. Yet, I would still take a 25 yr old d-man who scored at a .64 PPG pace over anyone from the Flames blue line.
- vji67

I can tell you've never posted on here before......

liles for brodie. you retain half his already bargain salary though.
- pbrsimps

Deal!

Haha....please re-iterate how i'm off my rocker!

He's in his prime, good 2 way player, signed, great cap hit, 25-30 goals, gritty.......

He's better than Clarkson who the Leafs didn't have a problem giving the world to.....
- The-O-G

almost 31, hasn't produced 50 pts even when playing with solid line combos at decent minutes. Clarkson also played sheltered minutes. Curtis Glencross possession wise is no Clarkson; a player i'd more accurately compare Glencross to: Benoit Pouliot

Most Glencross will fetch you is a late 2nd and some middling prospect I fathom. You do recall your GM is Jay Feaster, correct? So probably not even that good of a return.

I think he understands how the picks on an offer sheet work. What he was saying is no team is going to want to give up a 1st and a 3rd for Franson. Hence there will be no offer sheet.
- nigelwright275

I'm not saying any team would either. However, if Franson is looking for X amount and if a team wants him to sign their offer sheet, then they would have to get very close to X amount. Right now, X amount looks like it would be north of 3.34M, hence the 1st & 3rd that would have to come along as compensation.