Oh Leafs fans...

1. No team will offersheet at the cost of a 1st and 3rd, dream on.
2. Sure, I guess.
3. What? lol. You think he will sign after having to sit out part of the season? Dream on buddy.
4. Once again, good luck.
5. You don't have a 3rd buyout, thanks for showing where your knowledge base is at.

There is no way what you are proposing is even remotely possible for Toronto.
- IggyOnly

Oh Flames Fans Still sore about Gilmour.

Try to keep up. WE ARE NOT DESPERATE! We don't have any urgent need to do anything for 2 months! We don't have to keep Franson! we can choose to trade him. Why give up a prospect like Colborne for nothing. I came up with 5 options, and twenty more exist.

Colin Dambrauskas: Cody Franson - Could the Flames Help Out the Toronto Maple Leafs?
- Colin Dambrauskas

I'd rather move Franson for a significant package and hope Liles can bounce back. Liles had a bad year but, I'm a fairly big believer in his offensive ability. I wouldn't want to pay extra to get rid of him.

its about the cap situation. you cant hide liles in the minors, you only get 900k cap relief, just getting rid of him, giving away helps big time. franson is good and you have to sign kadri, your centres are terrible. nonis doesn't hold leverage, shoe away liles, give franson that cap hit
- kovey27

Fair comments on giving away Liles its better than the article wanting us to throw in a prospect centre.

I'd rather move Franson for a significant package and hope Liles can bounce back. Liles had a bad year but, I'm a fairly big believer in his offensive ability. I wouldn't want to pay extra to get rid of him.
- Lipchitz

No one is questioning his offensive ability. It's the defense. The leafs took a s***ton of shots on goal last year, and need to reduce that trend. He was often caught out of position, or passing in front of the goal, leading to turnovers.


Albeit a small sample size, Franson is a much more complete package than Liles can be at this point

Great Read Colin , the best part is that it all makes sense and helps both teams , I am a Habs fan and a diehard Habs fan, but also a Hockey Fan and you put something out there that makes so much sense that if the GM's are reading this, may even act upon it ... now wouldn't that be hilarious ! Colin dont forget to ask for a piece of the pie because you came up with it ...

As per #5, August 2-4 is the NORMAL (non CBA) buyout window. Normal buyouts that count against cap. Geez, does anyone on this site know hockey?
- jerseyleaf

Thank you, I think I leaving this tread. I've been sucked into a ridiculous article and debating with silly people.

1. What offer sheet?
2. Liles in the minors is a terrible idea - all but $925,000 of his salary would still count against the cap.
3. Maybe. But we'd be better off trading Liles for nothing.
4. Re-read the article - it was Liles for a 3rd, not Franson.
5. Why would you take that cap hit, when you can trade him to Calgary for a cowboy hat?
- Atomic Wedgie

THANK YOU!

Saved me 5 mins!

Colborne is going to turn 24 this season. he's a big centre in an organization that is woefully short on size down the middle, and the organization clearly has no plans to give him any type of role with the big club this season. to me, that raises some serious flags. when a first rounder is still "developing his game" in the AHL at 24, he really has little to no value. if the Leafs are looking to dump Liles, they would have to throw in a decent junior-age prospect who still has some upside, not a guy who is not far from becoming a career AHLer.

He's not worth a 2nd
- newmy

as far as the leafs are concerned. i think liles for a bag of pucks would be a great trade if we don't have to take any salary back

Leafs would have 0 interest in bringing a defencemen back. Liles for a second works.

Holy geez....did you guy's even read the article???

What Colin is suggesting is something like this:

Russell + Mid Prospect + Pick/Mid Prospect

for

Liles & Colbourne

Leafs would have 0 interest in bringing a defencemen back. Liles for a second works.
- WendelMania

For one side.

No one is questioning his offensive ability. It's the defense. The leafs took a s***ton of shots on goal last year, and need to reduce that trend. He was often caught out of position, or passing in front of the goal, leading to turnovers.


Albeit a small sample size, Franson is a much more complete package than Liles can be at this point
- jerseyleaf

Where did I say Liles was the better player? When Liles was healthy he was a decent defender, after the concussion he's been a different player. That being said he doesn't have a history of concussions and he should somewhat bounce-back. I don't like the idea of taking a once valuable asset who has no value and paying a team to take him. Just play him and hope he can re-coup some value back.

Franson can bring back much more than Liles in a trade. If a team were to sign Franson to an offer sheet they are looking at losing a 1st and 3rd as compensation. Using the compensation package as a benchmark, I'd rather move Franson for a haul than Liles for nothing.

For one side.
- The-O-G

3.85 mil for a PP QB who can still do as advertised isn't exactly an albatross contract that the leafs should have to pay a team to take. The Leafs are known to go with depth if they can, and bury good and extra players in the minors. I doubt Nonis (even if he does have the IQ of a potato) gives him away for free. If the return isn't what he likes...he'll stash him and eat it until he gets it.

Leafs would have 0 interest in bringing a defencemen back. Liles for a second works.
- WendelMania

if he was worth a second rounder with that contract attached, he would be in your top 4.

For one side.
- The-O-G

I think, or at least I hope, he meant Liles + Colborne for a 2nd which would make more sense for the Flames.

I think, or at least I hope, he meant Liles + Colbourne for a 2nd which would make more sense for the Flames.
- Lipchitz

I would hope so

3.85 mil for a PP QB who can still do as advertised isn't exactly an albatross contract that the leafs should have to pay a team to take. The Leafs are known to go with depth if they can, and bury good and extra players in the minors. I doubt Nonis (even if he does have the IQ of a potato) gives him away for free. If the return isn't what he likes...he'll stash him and eat it until he gets it.
- jerseyleaf

he's not a PP QB. if he was, again, he'd be in the lineup for a team that had a mediocre PP last season.

as far as the leafs are concerned. i think liles for a bag of pucks would be a great trade if we don't have to take any salary back
- dragus84

What kind of pucks? Are we talking those orange rubber pucks used for street hockey?

Colborne is going to turn 24 this season. he's a big centre in an organization that is woefully short on size down the middle, and the organization clearly has no plans to give him any type of role with the big club this season. to me, that raises some serious flags. when a first rounder is still "developing his game" in the AHL at 24, he really has little to no value. if the Leafs are looking to dump Liles, they would have to throw in a decent junior-age prospect who still has some upside, not a guy who is not far from becoming a career AHLer.
- DoubleDown

lol, Colborne will play for the Leafs next season

he's not a PP QB. if he was, again, he'd be in the lineup for a team that had a mediocre PP last season.
- DoubleDown

He was doing all the offensive things right, not the defensive. He didn't fit Carlyle's system, and went to the press box. PP QB is exactly what he is still, and nothing else.

3.85 mil for a PP QB who can still do as advertised isn't exactly an albatross contract that the leafs should have to pay a team to take. The Leafs are known to go with depth if they can, and bury good and extra players in the minors. I doubt Nonis (even if he does have the IQ of a potato) gives him away for free. If the return isn't what he likes...he'll stash him and eat it until he gets it.
- jerseyleaf

Then keep him I guess.

Oh Leafs fans...

1. No team will offersheet at the cost of a 1st and 3rd, dream on.
2. Sure, I guess.
3. What? lol. You think he will sign after having to sit out part of the season? Dream on buddy.
4. Once again, good luck.
5. You don't have a 3rd buyout, thanks for showing where your knowledge base is at.

There is no way what you are proposing is even remotely possible for Toronto.
- IggyOnly

This is my first comment ever. Long time lurker, but the stupidity in the above response forced me to contribute.

1. If Franson is seeking upwards of 3.34M (he's been reported as looking for close to 4M otherwise the Leafs would have signed him long term for ~3M ages ago), then any offer sheet between 3.35M-5.04M automatically comes with a 1st AND 3rd from the team that creates the offer sheet.

2. Burying him in the minor is an option, but not the best one since it only offers ~900K in savings.

3. What? Lol. You think he DOESN'T want to play in the NHL this year? Worst case scenario, he ends up going through the Subban route. Remember how that turned out?

4. I'm sorry, but you're a complete idiot if you think that Franson isn't worth more than a 3rd round pick. Seriously. Please stop being a fan of hockey because you give the sport a bad name. I mean, please remind me again how many d-men on the Flames put up 29 points in 45 games last year? Here's a link to help you figure that out: http://flames.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

5. Teams are still allowed REGULAR contract buyouts, but they count against the cap. So, YES, the Leafs CAN still buyout Liles' contract and it would actually only count as a 875K hit over the next two years (then it increases in Y3 and drops in Y4-6). Thanks for showing where YOUR knowledge base is.

These are only 5 VERY POSSIBLE options the Leafs have when it comes to Franson.

Seriously, please research and think before you post nonsense.

he's not a PP QB. if he was, again, he'd be in the lineup for a team that had a mediocre PP last season.
- DoubleDown

He was hurt last year and the Leafs didn't have a terrible PP last year. They were 3% off third-place Philly's PP%. Not that they are an elite PP team but, they certainly weren't bad either. The Leafs definitely have some good offensive pieces especially, on the back-end.

I would hope so
- jerseyleaf

Ahhhh.....well if you did then my bad.