it is... that's the point.

but it "sounds crazy" and is far to frightening to contemplate being true, so media just keeps on dismissing it.

take a look at the link I posted. some interesting stuff.

The Gulf on Tonkin incident didn't become public knowledge until 2005, and that was in 1964.

Wouldn't be much of a cover up if it was found out quickly now would it.
- Big_Lightnin

The gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't an attack on major American cities, by an American government, that killed thousands of American citizens.

There is no conspiracy theory that even hits the same levels of what that would be.

you mean like a former Major General in the US Army who was commanding general of the US Intelligence and Security command? Somebody like that?
- Big_Lightnin

He wasn't in command September 11th.

The gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't an attack on major American cities, by an American government, that killed thousands of American citizens.

There is no conspiracy theory that even hits the same levels of what that would be.
- joel878

Well there's a first time for everything! . It was terrorist, flying planes, who planned it for yrs. They will do it again unfortunately. There are crazy facking people in this world. As much as everyone on here seems to hate republicans and or the American govt they did not orchestrate this. On that note, goodnight

The gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't an attack on major American cities, by an American government, that killed thousands of American citizens.

There is no conspiracy theory that even hits the same levels of what that would be.
- joel878

it was a lie perpetrated upon the public and the global community to justify going to war...

Scale of going to war without cause far outways the casualties of 9/11... ( no disrespect intended - 58000 americans soldiers KIA, 300 000+ Injured in action.) not to mention Vietnamese deaths in the hundreds of thousands from both sides.

The gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't an attack on major American cities, by an American government, that killed thousands of American citizens.

There is no conspiracy theory that even hits the same levels of what that would be.
- joel878

I think the implications behind the official story not being true... Like the govt being involved, are what keep many people from not accepting anything but the official story.

He wasn't in command September 11th.
- sbroads24

that doesn't effect his ability to analyze the incident and evidence, which was his job when he was in command.

I think the implications behind the official story not being true... Like the govt being involved, are what keep many people from not accepting anything but the official story.
- robin_steele264

I think there are just as many flaws in the conspiracy theory, then there is in the 'historical' version.

At the end of the day, people are going to take the information they're presented, and look at it as they see fit. People embrace these flaws, as facts, and use it as ammo to support their side, whichever it may be.

For me, it's logical to take the widely accepted version as concrete fact, until there are strong enough facts to prove otherwise. Admittedly again, this is not something I've written a university thesis on. But in this scenario, taking the flaws as evidence doesn't work. People don't understand the pentagon scenario, this is surprising? We're talking about one of the higher security clearance buildings in America, and a lack of evidence points to conspiracy? I find the evidence to support the theory is alot more loosely based and lacking substance than the evidence supporting the accepted facts.

At the end of the day, people are going to believe whatever they want. Doesn't make them right or wrong, just makes them intelligent enough to form their own opinions based on the limited information available.

With that, good night. Good luck with unravelling the worlds secrets folks. I expect to see all of this on discovery in a few months.

I think there are just as many flaws in the conspiracy theory, then there is in the 'historical' version.

At the end of the day, people are going to take the information they're presented, and look at it as they see fit. People embrace these flaws, as facts, and use it as ammo to support their side, whichever it may be.

For me, it's logical to take the widely accepted version as concrete fact, until there are strong enough facts to prove otherwise. Admittedly again, this is not something I've written a university thesis on. But in this scenario, taking the flaws as evidence doesn't work. People don't understand the pentagon scenario, this is surprising? We're talking about one of the higher security clearance buildings in America, and a lack of evidence points to conspiracy? I find the evidence to support the theory is alot more loosely based and lacking substance than the evidence supporting the accepted facts.

At the end of the day, people are going to believe whatever they want. Doesn't make them right or wrong, just makes them intelligent enough to form their own opinions based on the limited information available.

With that, good night. Good luck with unravelling the worlds secrets folks. I expect to see all of this on discovery in a few months.
- joel878

History Network. Discovery still sort of keeps in real.

If you want genuinely documentary sort of television though, Oasis is hard to beat.

Worst thread ever... and the next one is already (frank)ed...

Even Sanfordnson is in on the Icke action... rook

Worst thread ever... and the next one is already (frank)ed...

Even Sanfordnson is in on the Icke action... rook
- BigDre

I think the 24th Gagner sucks thread was the worst ever. That was the one where Prock said Gagner sucks 46 times.

I think the 24th Gagner sucks thread was the worst ever. That was the one where Prock said Gagner sucks 46 times.
- abware

Can't believe it but I kinda miss him.

Can't believe it but I kinda miss him.
- sanfordnson

Does he have an alt account? Or has he given up because he figured out he was pretty much clueless?
There are a lot of posters who I wish would give up.

Damn - I missed a Truther / Bilderberg / Illuminati / Bohemian Grove / Ruling Elite / conspiracy discussion and debate.

Next:

Climate Change quackedemic apocalyptic fantasies and eco-fads.

The models keep failing.

Are you worried?

And if so, what's the solution? Mitigate? Adapt?