like reports from qualified engineers, and people who examine plane crashes for a living, and who say there's no way a Boeing 757 made that hole?
- Big_Lightnin

Source? Is this like the 3 out of 100000 scientists that dismiss global warming as fact?

New blog up. I've already posted videos by David Icke and Alex Jones.

Knew you'd get a kick out of that one. Yet you'll believe the govt did this. Facking hysterical
- Cptmjl

I'm not sure what I believe, but I know the story being told has a ton of holes in it. Not just a few.

the building 7 demolition is the hardest to ignore for me.

like reports from qualified engineers, and people who examine plane crashes for a living, and who say there's no way a Boeing 757 made that hole?
- Big_Lightnin

As reported by some yahoo online.

Source? Is this like the 3 out of 100000 scientists that dismiss global warming as fact?
- sbroads24

start here... enjoy.

http://consciouslifenews....bert-stubblebine/1145271/

As reported by some yahoo online.
- Cptmjl

as opposed to some yahoo trotted out by Fox News?

I'm not sure what I believe, but I know the story being told has a ton of holes in it. Not just a few.

the building 7 demolition is the hardest to ignore for me.
- Big_Lightnin

Why? I love the building seven conspiracy theories. They especially crack.me up. What's your version?

If they were turned on they certainly would have shot down jetliners full of people over NYC.
- sanfordnson

So good

Why? I love the building seven conspiracy theories. They especially crack.me up. What's your version?
- Cptmjl

I used to have the same, arrogant + belittling attitude as you have.

Why? I love the building seven conspiracy theories. They especially crack.me up. What's your version?
- Cptmjl

you saw the video earlier of the building site owner Silverstein confirming he gave the go ahead to demo building 7, right?

mere hours after the towers went down? which isn't nearly enough time to set those charges?

so, logically, one would assume there were already set?

as opposed to some yahoo trotted out by Fox News?
- Big_Lightnin

Assuming I'm a fox fan? Incorrect. I dissect my information like any intelligent person does. Do you think CNN or CNBC is any more reputable? If you answer yes to that question than I can understand why you believe the govt may have done this.

start here... enjoy.

http://consciouslifenews....bert-stubblebine/1145271/
- Big_Lightnin

Where is the science or facts in that article? It's all his opinion or what he claims he saw?

like reports from qualified engineers, and people who examine plane crashes for a living, and who say there's no way a Boeing 757 made that hole?
- Big_Lightnin

I've already said I haven't looked into it, and really only know about it what I watched on tv 12 years ago. There are public engineers reports to support this? Because that in itself makes no sense to me. We're talking about the pentagon. If there are public engineers reports regarding a crash at the pentagon floating around mainstream media, which would have to include construction details to be accurate, they're either loaded with censored / missing details of the building itself, or china and Russia were able to lay off some of their espionage budgets.

This is what it boils down to for me. If there was a massive conspiracy that directly resulted in the deaths of thousand Americans, it wouldn't be being discovered by hockeybuzz posters 12 years later. It would have never made it this far, and it would be a lot more than murmurs and YouTube links.

Assuming I'm a fox fan? Incorrect. I dissect my information like any intelligent person does. Do you think CNN or CNBC is any more reputable? If you answer yes to that question than I can understand why you believe the govt may have done this.
- Cptmjl

nope, but they ate up and spit out whatever the Bush administration told them like it was written by God himself.

All American news is incredibly biased and alternatively motivated. Ours is too, but not quite to the same extreme.

Guys guys..



Checkmate.

I used to have the same, arrogant + belittling attitude as you have.
- robin_steele264

Come on man. I like you guys I come over here all the time. Honestly think this threa is one of the more intelligent ones on here minus the blogs for the most part but this shat is crazy talk. It's thinking like this that's dangerous. Not bcs of its validity but bcs of its stupidity. I'm sorry there's no nice way to put it.

I've already said I haven't looked into it, and really only know about it what I watched on tv 12 years ago. There are public engineers reports to support this? Because that in itself makes no sense to me. We're talking about the pentagon. If there are public engineers reports regarding a crash at the pentagon floating around mainstream media, which would have to include construction details to be accurate, they're either loaded with censored / missing details of the building itself, or china and Russia were able to lay off some of their espionage budgets.

This is what it boils down to for me. If there was a massive conspiracy that directly resulted in the deaths of thousand Americans, it wouldn't be being discovered by hockeybuzz posters 12 years later. It would have never made it this far, and it would be a lot more than murmurs and YouTube links.
- joel878

Correct. There would have been a whistleblower by now. Many of them. Someone with a conscious. Someone would have talked.

Come on man. I like you guys I come over here all the time. Honestly think this threa is one of the more intelligent ones on here minus the blogs for the most part but this shat is crazy talk. It's thinking like this that's dangerous. Not bcs of its validity but bcs of its stupidity. I'm sorry there's no nice way to put it.
- Cptmjl

We just see things differently.


The evidence I saw changed me mind.


You can call it stupid if you want. I know I'm not stupid though, and I'm willing to change my mind again.

nope, but they ate up and spit out whatever the Bush administration told them like it was written by God himself.

All American news is incredibly biased and alternatively motivated. Ours is too, but not quite to the same extreme.
- Big_Lightnin

I'll 100% agree with you there. Especially saw that with the last two elections and even more so now. The press won't report anything negative about our current president. Minus fox which is of course half assed bs. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. It's scary honestly. What's even more scary is how people just rely on it and grab hold.

I've already said I haven't looked into it, and really only know about it what I watched on tv 12 years ago. There are public engineers reports to support this? Because that in itself makes no sense to me. We're talking about the pentagon. If there are public engineers reports regarding a crash at the pentagon floating around mainstream media, which would have to include construction details to be accurate, they're either loaded with censored / missing details of the building itself, or china and Russia were able to lay off some of their espionage budgets.

This is what it boils down to for me. If there was a massive conspiracy that directly resulted in the deaths of thousand Americans, it wouldn't be being discovered by hockeybuzz posters 12 years later. It would have never made it this far, and it would be a lot more than murmurs and YouTube links.
- joel878

it is... that's the point.

but it "sounds crazy" and is far to frightening to contemplate being true, so media just keeps on dismissing it.

take a look at the link I posted. some interesting stuff.

The Gulf on Tonkin incident didn't become public knowledge until 2005, and that was in 1964.

Wouldn't be much of a cover up if it was found out quickly now would it.

Correct. There would have been a whistleblower by now. Many of them. Someone with a conscious. Someone would have talked.
- sbroads24

There have been lots


The info is out there. Up to you to look and listen.

We just see things differently.


The evidence I saw changed me mind.


You can call it stupid if you want. I know I'm not stupid though, and I'm willing to change my mind again.
- robin_steele264

I've seen it all. Living here you wanted to read or see anything related to that day to try and understand. Either that or it was the last thing you wanted to think about. I went back and forth with it. Still do. Some of the stuff you see is convincing admittedly but you can poke so.many holes in anything I've seen. I'll just never understand why people just can't believe what happened that day was as reported and witnessed by thousands of people? Is what it is I guess?

Correct. There would have been a whistleblower by now. Many of them. Someone with a conscious. Someone would have talked.
- sbroads24

The biggest attack to ever take place on American soil, resulting in the deaths of thousands of American citizens, orchestrated by the American government?

If there were even the slightest chance that this was a possibility, we would all have drones splattering our houses into vaginas before we could even click submit on our hockeybuzz posts.

That is the only way a coverup of this magnitude would make it this far, anything close to a credible murmur in public that this was the case would induce mass hysteria the likes of which has never been seen.

There have been lots


The info is out there. Up to you to look and listen.
- robin_steele264

No there hasnt. No one with proof, documents, recorded phone calls, photos, anything substantial that would pick up steam and be newsworthy. It's all Internet based Jesse Ventura-ish bs.

Correct. There would have been a whistleblower by now. Many of them. Someone with a conscious. Someone would have talked.
- sbroads24

you mean like a former Major General in the US Army who was commanding general of the US Intelligence and Security command? Somebody like that?