yeah, definitely true

I just hope it doesn't get that ugly where this word "leverage" is used much more than it already has

this team needs Stepan from day 1 of training camp, new coach, new system, Cally and Hagelin hurt.

this needs to be figured out, clock is ticking, tomorrow the calendar says August
- jimbro83

This Stepan situation is starting to stink. Slats is being Slats, it has nothing to do with cap space, he could careless about that. This is about a young player with no leverage, he's going to treat him as he has treated all that have come before him. It's unfortunate, but true. Doesn't mean Step should fall on his sword, and take a low ball offer, but if it starts to get close to camp, he may have to do just that.

I think having a 4th line of Boyle-Moore-Dorsett/Pyatt would be a great thing, might be cap hell for this year but the good teams out there have deep 3-4 lines not just cheap fillers who don't fit the role. Two playoffs in a row we lost partially becuase the other teams 4th lines killed us. The above 4th line would be a heck of a defensive zone line to have with 2 decent face off guys. Kristo or Fasth need to be in the AHL if they can't fit in top 9.

Asham, Powe likely demoted, Pyatt is one I'd look to maybe move over Boyle.

This Stepan situation is starting to stink. Slats is being Slats, it has nothing to do with cap space, he could careless about that. This is about a young player with no leverage, he's going to treat him as he has treated all that have come before him. It's unfortunate, but true. Doesn't mean Step should fall on his sword, and take a low ball offer, but if it starts to get close to camp, he may have to do just that.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

How can you say this has nothing to do with Capspace? So okay, if its not capspace, then what happens if Sather says, "Okay Stepan, here's your $5M contract. Or here's your $4.75M contract." What exactly do we do then when we are $1.5M over the Cap in October PLUS we only have 10 forwards because Cally and Hags are out? Whats the plan for that?

How can you say this has nothing to do with Capspace? So okay, if its now capspace, then what happens if Sather says, "Okay Stepan, here's your $5M contract. Or here's your $4.75M contract." What exactly do we do then when we are $1.5M over the Cap in October PLUS we only have 10 forwards because Cally and Hags are out? Whats the plan for that?
- xcheckmajor

I'm telling you, Sather could careless about the cap space. Because he's not offering him anywhere near 5mil or 4.75.

I'm telling you, Sather could careless about the cap space. Because he's not offering him anywhere near 5mil or 4.75.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Lol, but the reason he's not offering him anywhere near that is BECAUSE its impossible! Whether or not he enjoys lowballing our kids is completely moot because the fact is, he couldn't offer them a higher deal even if he wanted to.

Lol, but the reason he's not offering him anywhere near that is BECAUSE its impossible!
- xcheckmajor

No, the reason he's not offering that money is because he doesn't have to.

No, the reason he's not offering that money is because he doesn't have to.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Wow, thats some real twisted reasoning you have there. Your saying he enjoys doing this but disregarding the fact that he has no other choice.

If this number is excluding bonuses, they why are we subtracting bonuses again? I originally thought the same thing, a few posts back I said the actual space is $5.011 just like you. But aecleptic made me look twice at how Capgeek reports things and now I'm completely lost. If you look at the definition of how Performance bonuses work in Capgeek's FAQ page, they state that they include the bonuses in the Summer Cap total, but they factor the 7.5% cushion into the cap, then when the season starts, they remove the bonuses from the cap. It just makes me wonder what the heck the actual cap for the team is.
- xcheckmajor

If you use the cap calculator, youll see when one of those ELC's gets added to the lineup, the cost against the cap wont be of full value, it will only be at the cost of their ELC.

If youre just looking at capgeeks page at face value, yes you are seeing what the kids are getting in total (including the bonuses), but if you hover your mouse over the star in front of the salary, you will see what their performance bonus is.

Forget all the other stuff, dont over complicate things for yourself.

Cap calculator gets it right, youll see if you start adding/removing any of the young kids to the lineup.

Wow, thats some real twisted reasoning you have there. Your saying he enjoys doing this but disregarding the fact that he has no other choice.
- xcheckmajor

Its not twisted, its reality.

Sather doesnt have to offer him more. Sather knows what he wants to pay him and for how long. When it comes to RFA's, Sather gets his way.

Wow, thats some real twisted reasoning you have there. Your saying he enjoys doing this but disregarding the fact that he has no other choice.
- xcheckmajor

No, you said he has no other choice. He doesn't fear the offer sheet, He could careless about the 4th line, that's Av's problem. I'll take it a step further, if the Rangers have a bad season, don't look for Slats to throw money and years in Lundqvist direction either.

No, you said he has no other choice. He doesn't fear the offer sheet, He could careless about the 4th line, that's Av's problem. I'll take it a step further, if the Rangers have a bad season, don't look for Slats to throw money and years in Lundqvist direction either.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Please explain to me what other choice Sather has. And then take it a step further and let me know what our roster is suppose to look like he indeed has another choice besides playing hardball for his ego. And no, giving Stepan the money he deserves and removing 3 players from our roster isn't really a choice because we need to have a full roster when the season starts.

If you use the cap calculator, youll see when one of those ELC's gets added to the lineup, the cost against the cap wont be of full value, it will only be at the cost of their ELC.

If youre just looking at capgeeks page at face value, yes you are seeing what the kids are getting in total (including the bonuses), but if you hover your mouse over the star in front of the salary, you will see what their performance bonus is.

Forget all the other stuff, dont over complicate things for yourself.

Cap calculator gets it right, youll see if you start adding/removing any of the young kids to the lineup.
- aecliptic

Thanks, I'm gonna play with it.

Thanks, I'm gonna play with it.
- xcheckmajor

Theres a salary cap $ and a bonuses $... youll see when you add Kristo to the lineup, the salary goes up only by 550k, but the bonuses which dont count goes up 800k.

Please explain to me what other choice Sather has. And then take it a step further and let me know what our roster is suppose to look like he indeed has another choice besides playing hardball for his ego. And no, giving Stepan the money he deserves and removing 3 players from our roster isn't really a choice.
- xcheckmajor

Im not sure what you are asking me, but if Stepan decides to hold out, he'll only windup hurting himself. It's not about Sather's ego, it's about how he has treated every player in this situation. It's called business.

Theres a salary cap $ and a bonuses $... youll see when you add Kristo to the lineup, the salary goes up only by 550k, but the bonuses which dont count goes up 800k.
- aecliptic

Got it. The calculator is a nice tool, I wish the main page would be so misleading with the actual cap. So if we can sign Stepan at $4.25 then waive Pyatt, Asham, Powe, Johnson all to the minors, we could recall Miller and Kristo and still be $166K under the cap.

Im not sure what you are asking me, but if Stepan decides to hold out, he'll only windup hurting himself. It's not about Sather's ego, it's about how he has treated every player in this situation. It's called business.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

I was simply responding to your notion that our cap situation has no bearing on Sather's negotiations. If we had 7M in open cap, I guarantee you Sather would negotiate, but easily have signed Stepan at around $4.5M by now. Stepan is arguably a $5M player on the open market and judging the rates he got McDonagh and Hagelin at, I would say that would have followed the pattern. But unfortunately, we can't offer that because the Cap is restricting us. So thats why Sather can't offer that, not because of lowballing.

Got it. The calculator is a nice tool, I wish the main page would be so misleading with the actual cap. So if we can sign Stepan at $4.25 then waive Pyatt, Asham, Powe, Johnson all to the minors, we could recall Miller and Kristo and still be $166K under the cap.
- xcheckmajor

Ideally, yea, it can be pulled off.

But Falk would need to be sent down and we would have to go with 0 healthy scratches.

We would have 250k in cap space to spare if thats what happened.

I was simply responding to your notion that our cap situation has no bearing on Sather's negotiations. If we had 7M in open cap, I guarantee you Sather would negotiate, but easily have signed Stepan at around $4.5M by now. Stepan is arguably a $5M player on the open market and judging the rates he got McDonagh and Hagelin at, I would say that would have followed the pattern. But unfortunately, we can't offer that because the Cap is restricting us. So thats why Sather can't offer that, not because of lowballing.
- xcheckmajor

Ok. Whatever, all I'm saying is Stepan needs to get his a$$ in camp on time.

Rangers have a 2nd buyout window from August 2nd to August 4th.

A regular buyout, not an amnesty buyout

be interested to see if they use it

Rangers have a 2nd buyout window from August 2nd to August 4th.

A regular buyout, not an amnesty buyout

be interested to see if they use it
- jimbro83

This is probably a dumb question, but what would happen if they just buyout Richards, not amnesty?

This is probably a dumb question, but what would happen if they just buyout Richards, not amnesty?
- TPC

We would absorb a cap hit penalty of:

2013-14: -$619,048
2014-15: -$119,048
2015-16: -$119,048
2016-17: $1,380,952
2017-18: $7,380,952
2018-19: $7,380,952
2019-20: $7,380,952
2020-21: $1,714,286
2021-22: $1,714,286
2022-23: $1,714,286
2023-24: $1,714,286
2024-25: $1,714,286
2025-26: $1,714,286
2026-27: $1,714,286

We would absorb a cap hit penalty of:

2013-14: -$619,048
2014-15: -$119,048
2015-16: -$119,048
2016-17: $1,380,952
2017-18: $7,380,952
2018-19: $7,380,952
2019-20: $7,380,952
2020-21: $1,714,286
2021-22: $1,714,286
2022-23: $1,714,286
2023-24: $1,714,286
2024-25: $1,714,286
2025-26: $1,714,286
2026-27: $1,714,286
- xcheckmajor

Take out those 3 years there in the middle, not so bad....although 14 years would suck

if they buyout Pyatt, it will only be a 450K hit this year, 550K next year.

Pretty much be a 1.1 million savings on this year's cap.

if they buyout Pyatt, it will only be a 450K hit this year, 550K next year.

Pretty much be a 1.1 million savings on this year's cap.
- jimbro83

Its not worth buying out Pyatt.

If you waive him and send him to minors, hes a cap hit of 625k. Then hes gone next year. Its not worth it to buy him out to save an extra 200k.

Its not worth buying out Pyatt.

If you waive him and send him to minors, hes a cap hit of 625k. Then hes gone next year. Its not worth it to buy him out to save an extra 200k.
- aecliptic

Plus if u waive him, chances are he will be picked up by a team that could use his style at only $1.55. Then it's all gone.