a whopper
- jimbro83

hell no.. just keep sending the kid crave cases daily! but he may just crap it all out and not put on any weight lol

hell no.. just keep sending the kid crave cases daily! but he may just crap it all out and not put on any weight lol
- MeltingPlastic

mmmmm...crave case...harrrrrrrrrr *drool*

Seth Rothman ‏@RothmanHockey 11s
#Panthers have signed former #Rangers C Scott Gomez to a one-year contract.

Seth Rothman ‏@RothmanHockey 11s
#Panthers have signed former #Rangers C Scott Gomez to a one-year contract.


- jimbro83

Unnghh.....

Bored at work as well. In regards to Stepan's negotiations now, I'm thinking about the implications to the rest of the team. The Rangers aren't in a situation where they just don't want to shell out the money, they are in a situation where they simply can't. So if Stepan's camp insists, that essentially means they are forcing the organization to move people, cut people, or demote people. Thats gotta have a negative impact in the locker room. He is deserving yes, but thats at the cost of others right now. I don't think Stepan is that kind of guy that doesn't care and wants his money no matter how it affects his team mates. If Stepan isn't willing to accept a bridge deal with a low 1st year cap hit (say 3-3.5M), then not only will the team have to move Pyatt or Boyle, they may have to do more than that with the need to bring up players for Cally and Hag's absence. So the question is this, does Stepan want to potentially bring some drama into the locker room being the reason why a few players are gone? Or will he be the ultimate team player, realize he is only 23 and the money will undoubtedly come to him later, and give the team something it can work with? I wonder if Sather has straight up approached his camp saying, "Look, based on the cap, this is really the max we can offer. If you want more, your forcing me to move some of your buddies."
- xcheckmajor

I think every summer there is some player that people suggest should take a below market deal for the good of the organization (i.e., hey, we are really cash strapped, you need to take one for the team). Personally, I am not a big fan of the argument. It is the organization's job to manage its financial assets accordingly, and I don't think just one player can be asked to take a substantial hit, where everyone else is presumably getting paid at their worth. Now, don't get me wrong, I am fine with individual players taking home town discounts to help the club, but there is a limit to that, IMO. If you are asking one guy to take the brunt of the hit, and pressuring him by saying "if you don't a couple of your buddies will be gone," I think that is plain wrong. And how can other guys in the lockerroom blame the guy when they themselves have fed at the trough?

If I'm Derek Stepan I want a fair deal based on my market value and my performance, and I shouldn't be forced to sign some crap deal because the organization put themselves in a bind. Again, this is not to suggest that some discount wouldn't be appropriate to helo the club, but I ain't taking $3 million.

I think every summer there is some player that people suggest should take a below market deal for the good of the organization (i.e., hey, we are really cash strapped, you need to take one for the team). Personally, I am not a big fan of the argument. It is the organization's job to manage its financial assets accordingly, and I don't think just one player can be asked to take a substantial hit, where everyone else is presumably getting paid at their worth. Now, don't get me wrong, I am fine with individual players taking home town discounts to help the club, but there is a limit to that, IMO. If you are asking one guy to take the brunt of the hit, and pressuring him by saying "if you don't a couple of your buddies will be gone," I think that is plain wrong. And how can other guys in the lockerroom blame the guy when they themselves have fed at the trough?

If I'm Derek Stepan I want a fair deal based on my market value and my performance, and I shouldn't be forced to sign some crap deal because the organization put themselves in a bind. Again, this is not to suggest that some discount wouldn't be appropriate to helo the club, but I ain't taking $3 million.
- Pete V

there is no way that Derek Stepan should be asked to take a deal with less money than the Islanders gave Josh Bailey.

mmmmm...crave case...harrrrrrrrrr *drool*
- xcheckmajor

Me and my buddy used to install car stereos in HS for the price of 1 crave case... that was back in my skating 7-8 times a week days and could eat anything and not gain weight.. now if attempted 15 burgers my body would just raise a white flag and die

there is no way that Derek Stepan should be asked to take a deal with less money than the Islanders gave Josh Bailey.
- jimbro83

I will say this, I think Stepan would have had more negotiating leverage if the Rangers bought out Richards for a few reasons. First, there would be more money available to make a deal with him. Second, it would be hard for the organization to argue against his worth, when he would be the clear number one center. And finally, the team obviously would have to match any offer sheet provided to him at the risk of being left bare at center.

I will say this, I think Stepan would have had more negotiating leverage if the Rangers bought out Richards for a few reasons. First, there would be more money available to make a deal with him. Second, it would be hard for the organization to argue against his worth, when he would be the clear number one center. And finally, the team obviously would have to match any offer sheet provided to him at the risk of being left bare at center.
- Pete V

That kinda goes with what I was saying, its a matter of literally not having the space available. And he wouldn't be the only guy taking the discount. McDonagh we all agree based on the rest of the market, could have commanded 5-5.5M and took 4.7. Zucc probably would have gotten 1.5-1.75 in arbitration but settled for 1.16. Hagelin was a little more spot on, but arguably could have gotten 2.5-3 range. Everyone seemed to take a little less this year.

That kinda goes with what I was saying, its a matter of literally not having the space available. And he wouldn't be the only guy taking the discount. McDonagh we all agree based on the rest of the market, could have commanded 5-5.5M and took 4.7. Zucc probably would have gotten 1.5-1.75 in arbitration but settled for 1.16. Hagelin was a little more spot on, but arguably could have gotten 2.5-3 range. Everyone seemed to take a little less this year.
- xcheckmajor

Here is what I will say on that front. Taking a home town discount is one thing, but if I am Derek Stepan's agent, and the Rangers are stuck on a $3.0-3.5 million bridge deal, I'm trolling for offer sheets, because I don't think that is a fair number for a guy who for all intents and purposes is the number one center on the team. Now, if they have the type of handshake deal that Jan has talked about in which the Rangers will sign him to a one year deal at a low cap hit, and then sign him to a lucrative extension in January, that's a different story.

I just think the Rangers need to be careful here, because loyalty goes both ways. If you low-ball and leverage the player too bad, you can't expect him not to respond by exercising the only piece of negotiating leverage he has.

I will say this, I think Stepan would have had more negotiating leverage if the Rangers bought out Richards for a few reasons. First, there would be more money available to make a deal with him. Second, it would be hard for the organization to argue against his worth, when he would be the clear number one center. And finally, the team obviously would have to match any offer sheet provided to him at the risk of being left bare at center.
- Pete V

yeah, definitely true

I just hope it doesn't get that ugly where this word "leverage" is used much more than it already has

this team needs Stepan from day 1 of training camp, new coach, new system, Cally and Hagelin hurt.

this needs to be figured out, clock is ticking, tomorrow the calendar says August

yeah, definitely true

I just hope it doesn't get that ugly where this word "leverage" is used much more than it already has

this team needs Stepan from day 1 of training camp, new coach, new system, Cally and Hagelin hurt.

this needs to be figured out, clock is ticking, tomorrow the calendar says August
- jimbro83

it sucks cuz negotiations like this tend to drag out till right before training camp so we're gonna be poopting our pants for a loooong time.

it sucks cuz negotiations like this tend to drag out till right before training camp so we're gonna be poopting our pants for a loooong time.
- rangerdanger94

Really, when you think about it, what did they need Dominick Moore for if it wasn't their intent to move someone. Because if everything remains status quo that signing just made their lives more difficult on the Stepan front. Asham and Powe are potential easy fixes, and one of the fourth liners making north of $1.5 million a year will have to go as well.

Really, when you think about it, what did they need Dominick Moore for if it wasn't their intent to move someone. Because if everything remains status quo that signing just made their lives more difficult on the Stepan front. Asham and Powe are potential easy fixes, and one of the fourth liners making north of $1.5 million a year will have to go as well.
- Pete V

I think Moore was brought in primarily because Powe never lived up to the expectations of replacing Prust and Fedotenko's defensive play. Moore could be a solid upgrade from that standpoint. It does overload us in the middle, but Boyle could play wing, and be a faceoff specialist in the Dzone. Boyle Moore, Stepan Callahan is a pretty solid 1-2 PK line.

I think Moore was brought in primarily because Powe never lived up to the expectations of replacing Prust and Fedotenko's defensive play. Moore could be a solid upgrade from that standpoint. It does overload us in the middle, but Boyle could play wing, and be a faceoff specialist in the Dzone. Boyle Moore, Stepan Callahan is a pretty solid 1-2 PK line.
- xcheckmajor

I agree with your assessment, but moving Boyle to wing with Dorsett on the otherside means that Pyatt should be a goner. What I was saying is that the signing of Moore had to be done with the intent of shedding one of the other fourth line contracts, because if it is wasn't, it wasn't a smart signing.

I agree with your assessment, but moving Boyle to wing with Dorsett on the otherside means that Pyatt should be a goner. What I was saying is that the signing of Moore had to be done with the intent of shedding one of the other fourth line contracts, because if it is wasn't, it wasn't a smart signing.
- Pete V

I agree. We do however need to have a solid 13th man that isn't a liability. Haley may fit that role as well but thats a question mark.

I agree. We do however need to have a solid 13th man that isn't a liability. Haley may fit that role as well but thats a question mark.
- xcheckmajor

IMO, you can't have a 13th man making $1.5 million a year, so either Pyatt or Boyle will have to go. Without diving into the particulars, if that happens, perhaps there will be enough room to keep Asham or Powe with the team, because neither of them make much more than entry level dollars. Although, the Rangers may have to pinch every last penny, and it may be the case that a players salary this year is a determining factor of whether they serve as the 13th forward (if its a close call).

Seems the NHL is ahead of the curve with the all-star game... NFL is taking the NHL's idea of having a draft. Wonder if NHL will get ANY credit...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/st...es-major-pro-bowl-changes

EDIT: I know ESPN Comments are one of the worst places on the internet but a bunch of people are mentioning the NHL there

IMO, you can't have a 13th man making $1.5 million a year, so either Pyatt or Boyle will have to go. Without diving into the particulars, if that happens, perhaps there will be enough room to keep Asham or Powe with the team, because neither of them make much more than entry level dollars. Although, the Rangers may have to pinch every last penny, and it may be the case that a players salary this year is a determining factor of whether they serve as the 13th forward (if its a close call).
- Pete V

Its very difficult in today's Cap Era to have a team where the 4th line salaries equal: 1.7M, 1.55M, 1.663M, and 1M. Thats flirting with Cap Hell. We need some of our $550K - $975K type players to step up and be able to play 4th line minutes in the NHL. Those are our Fasts, Lindbergs, etc... We will be a very deep team if we can somehow keep all this together.

I'm still really confused by the way Capgeek counts bonuses, then eliminates them, then adds in the 7.5%, etc... It is a really weird way to state things. I'm still wondering what our exact capspace is right now because its hard to calculate.

Its very difficult in today's Cap Era to have a team where the 4th line salaries equal: 1.7M, 1.55M, 1.663M, and 1M. Thats flirting with Cap Hell. We need some of our $550K - $975K type players to step up and be able to play 4th line minutes in the NHL. Those are our Fasts, Lindbergs, etc... We will be a very deep team if we can somehow keep all this together.

I'm still really confused by the way Capgeek counts bonuses, then eliminates them, then adds in the 7.5%, etc... It is a really weird way to state things. I'm still wondering what our exact capspace is right now because its hard to calculate.
- xcheckmajor

There is the age old debate about not wanting to have good prospects play in the NHL if they are only going to play 4th line minutes. I get that, but at the same time, you have some grinders in the system, who you really don't care about playing fourth line minutes because a third/fourth liner is really all you project them to be.

Really, when you think about it, what did they need Dominick Moore for if it wasn't their intent to move someone. Because if everything remains status quo that signing just made their lives more difficult on the Stepan front. Asham and Powe are potential easy fixes, and one of the fourth liners making north of $1.5 million a year will have to go as well.
- Pete V

yea moore just added to the logjam of bottom 6 forwards already. it sucks powe and asham got unclaimed...i think pyatt could go unclaimed too if waived. does he have more value than asham or powe on a larger deal? i don't think so.

the rangers have wanted moore for a while now though. they almost got him last summer until he took time off so i guess they still wanted him now.

There is the age old debate about not wanting to have good prospects play in the NHL if they are only going to play 4th line minutes. I get that, but at the same time, you have some grinders in the system, who you really don't care about playing fourth line minutes because a third/fourth liner is really all you project them to be.
- Pete V

that was something that Tom Renney did well when he created a 4th line of Ortmeyer-Moore-Hollweg back in the day. Young, cheap homegrown guys

that was something that Tom Renney did well when he created a 4th line of Ortmeyer-Moore-Hollweg back in the day. Young, cheap homegrown guys
- jimbro83

Haley and his $600K cap hit would be nice as a 13th and stand in the first month. Asham and Powe will have to clear waivers again before the season starts to start them in the AHL. At that time, it could be very possible they both get picked up. I have a feeling no one picked them up because it was early summer and no need yet, as we get closer to opening day, they could be bargains for teams that are missing role players or have injuries like us to start. Pyatt may even be picked up them too. That would be nice to fully remove $3.61M from our cap. Without adding Stepan, that would have us at $58.665M. This would be perfect as it allows us to have Miller fully on the roster and about $4.2M available for Step.

Maybe Sather can make a trade to a team with plenty of Cap. He could send them a prospect plus Asham, Powe, Pyatt for a 2nd round pick?

Its very difficult in today's Cap Era to have a team where the 4th line salaries equal: 1.7M, 1.55M, 1.663M, and 1M. Thats flirting with Cap Hell. We need some of our $550K - $975K type players to step up and be able to play 4th line minutes in the NHL. Those are our Fasts, Lindbergs, etc... We will be a very deep team if we can somehow keep all this together.

I'm still really confused by the way Capgeek counts bonuses, then eliminates them, then adds in the 7.5%, etc... It is a really weird way to state things. I'm still wondering what our exact capspace is right now because its hard to calculate.
- xcheckmajor

If you look at where they itemize the cap hit, bonuses, etc. you'll see that they do account for the performance bonuses. I'll look it up and use the real numbers so you can see exactly what I mean.

In this scenario I will demote Asham and Powe, trade Pyatt and recall Kristo and Miller to give the team depth while Cally and HAgs are out.

FORWARDS
Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Chris Kreider ($1.325m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Danny Kristo ($1.300m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
J.T. Miller ($1.244m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Dan Girardi ($3.325m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
Anton Stralman ($1.700m) / Justin Falk ($0.975m)
John Moore ($0.965m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
OTHER
Buried: Arron Asham ($0.075m)
Buried: Darroll Powe ($0.142m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,425,833; BONUSES: $2,137,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,011,667

Now I have in exces of $5MM to re-sign Step. If I get him in at $4MM I can even keep Asham up while Hags and Cally are out.

Now, see where it says Cap Payroll? That's the total of all salary cap hits, excluding bonuses, of all 22 players. If you subtract the total of the bonuses on the contracts of Kristo, Miller, Kreider and Moore ($2.1375MM) from the cap payroll you get $59.288333MM. Take that figure from the upper limit of $64.3MM then you are left with the available cap space of $5.011667MM. That's how Capgeek accounts for bonuses, etc.

If you look at where they itemize the cap hit, bonuses, etc. you'll see that they do account for the performance bonuses. I'll look it up and use the real numbers so you can see exactly what I mean.

In this scenario I will demote Asham and Powe, trade Pyatt and recall Kristo and Miller to give the team depth while Cally and HAgs are out.

FORWARDS
Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Chris Kreider ($1.325m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Danny Kristo ($1.300m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
J.T. Miller ($1.244m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Dan Girardi ($3.325m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
Anton Stralman ($1.700m) / Justin Falk ($0.975m)
John Moore ($0.965m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
OTHER
Buried: Arron Asham ($0.075m)
Buried: Darroll Powe ($0.142m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,425,833; BONUSES: $2,137,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,011,667

Now I have in exces of $5MM to re-sign Step. If I get him in at $4MM I can even keep Asham up while Hags and Cally are out.

Now, see where it says Cap Payroll? That's the total of all salary cap hits, excluding bonuses, of all 22 players. If you subtract the total of the bonuses on the contracts of Kristo, Miller, Kreider and Moore ($2.1375MM) from the cap payroll you get $59.288333MM. Take that figure from the upper limit of $64.3MM then you are left with the available cap space of $5.011667MM. That's how Capgeek accounts for bonuses, etc.
- gkmkiller

If this number is excluding bonuses, they why are we subtracting bonuses again? I originally thought the same thing, a few posts back I said the actual space is $5.011 just like you. But aecleptic made me look twice at how Capgeek reports things and now I'm completely lost. If you look at the definition of how Performance bonuses work in Capgeek's FAQ page, they state that they include the bonuses in the Summer Cap total, but they factor the 7.5% cushion into the cap, then when the season starts, they remove the bonuses from the cap. It just makes me wonder what the heck the actual cap for the team is.