Geeze, just what we need, MORE commitment in the future to bought out players...

Would we not have a cap hit for like 6 years of Liles? Yeesh.
- Aetherial

ya but the last three are $1.25M, and it saves a full $3M in cap the next 2 years when we need it most.

Not ideal result, but possibly better than being forced to trade Franson...

I already won the Internet.
- robin_steele264

The internet is nothing more than a fat hairy man watching porn and posing as a chick. Enjoy your prize Robin, I think you just won Cloutier.

Geeze, just what we need, MORE commitment in the future to bought out players...

Would we not have a cap hit for like 6 years of Liles? Yeesh.
- Aetherial

yup, and I don't see them doing it.

this will bring them mucho $$$$$ so I don't see them moving a team in to Markham unless it's an expansion team
- zazzle

explain the difference

explain the difference
- senstroll

$200+ Million in expansion fees, rather than NOTHING in moving fees.

Expansion team is purchased from NHL. Selling a team all the money goes to the owner (or most)

Anybody going to update the Facebook page for Hockeybuzz??? I just left a comment on a post from February 5th.

$200+ Million in expansion fees, rather than NOTHING in moving fees.
- Big_Lightnin

if you read what I said originally.

The league will want to setup the 2 new teams first (get 275 million each) and then look to move weaker teams to stronger markets (GTA and Quebec)

They are still getting the 2 new franchise fees.

so I am asking whats the difference where they setup shop first

explain the difference
- senstroll

you're relocating a team. don't think would cost anything to do that. ie Atlanta to Winnipeg
they may have to pay the leafs cause there in their territory

but an expansion team is a new team altogether. thus mucho $$$$$.

you're relocating a team. don't think would cost anything to do that. ie Atlanta to Winnipeg
they may have to pay the leafs cause there in their territory

but an expansion team is a new team altogether. thus mucho $$$$$.
- zazzle

That is exactly what I said.

here is the quote

They want the expansion $$
once they get 2 new teams then the weaker sisters can move to Quebec and the GTA

get 2 new franchises, then , move teams

if you read what I said originally.

The league will want to setup the 2 new teams first (get 275 million each) and then look to move weaker teams to stronger markets (GTA and Quebec)

They are still getting the 2 new franchise fees.

so I am asking whats the difference where they setup shop first
- senstroll

Because the league could make more in the GTA than anywhere they set up new teams. Might as well move teams to non traditional hockey markets and set up new ones more hockey proven destinatios.

That is exactly what I said.

here is the quote


get 2 new franchises, then , move teams
- senstroll

got it.

275MM might not be enough for a 2nd team in TO.
+ you need to pays rights to the leafs.

if you read what I said originally.

The league will want to setup the 2 new teams first (get 275 million each) and then look to move weaker teams to stronger markets (GTA and Quebec)

They are still getting the 2 new franchise fees.

so I am asking whats the difference where they setup shop first
- senstroll

would get much more if they do it all at once though.

the 2 expansion teams would get the most in fees if there were in Quebec and Markham/GTA.

Then move 2 teams to Seattle and somewhere else out west. (frank) give Portland a team too, instant rivals

We have more cap space if we kept Grab, left Bozak go and bought out Liles and Komisarek.

that argument is invalid and should not be posted again, we still have Mcclemment
- senstroll

True, but you have less of a chance of re-signing Kessel (as professionally wrong as it is, it's still true) and have a player that is incapable of playing within Carlyle's system with health issues. Why else do you think Grabo's not been signed yet? GI issues are debhilitating for a hockey player...

You need to understand a very simple principle.

Now that he's no longer playing for *insert favorite team name here*, he sucks.

It's just how it goes.
- Pecafan Fan

You need a new line. This debate preceded his getting traded.

True, but you have less of a chance of re-signing Kessel (as professionally wrong as it is, it's still true) and have a player that is incapable of playing within Carlyle's system with health issues. Why else do you think Grabo's not been signed yet ? GI issues are debhilitating for a hockey player...
- Deeps27

...as a 3rd line Center... you forgot that part. He'd have been just fine in an offensive role.

so, when he signs in the next couple days, that team is just stupid?

He hasn't been signed cause he wants $5M per, or as close as he can get.

Because the league could make more in the GTA than anywhere they set up new teams. Might as well move teams to non traditional hockey markets and set up new ones more hockey proven destinatios.
- systemtool

I understand that the GTA would be the most lucrative market.

The franchise cost is 275 million, doesnt matter where they setup. they will have 2 new franchises, thats guaranteed.

Bettman is saying he wants an expansion team in Seattle, so that goes against what you are saying

I understand that the GTA would be the most lucrative market.

The franchise cost is 275 million, doesnt matter where they setup. they will have 2 new franchises, thats guaranteed.

Bettman is saying he wants an expansion team in Seattle, so that goes against what you are saying
- senstroll

The cost is irrelevant in an instance where there is a bidding war. A team in Toronto would likely be sold to the highest bidder and is the most likely of most all markets that could provide one.

Bettman can't say he plans on moving teams, he can only discuss new markets ..ie expansion..until the only option is clearly to being forced into relocation. ie Atlanta

The cost is irrelevant in an instance where there is a bidding war. A team in Toronto would likely be sold to the highest bidder and is the most likely of most all markets that could provide one.
- systemtool

What are they bidding for? I am not familiar with a bidding process for NHL teams

I understand that the GTA would be the most lucrative market.

The franchise cost is 275 million, doesnt matter where they setup. they will have 2 new franchises, thats guaranteed.

Bettman is saying he wants an expansion team in Seattle, so that goes against what you are saying
- senstroll

I think that's how much it would cost Seattle. That's not how much a team costs...

Franchise fee in Markham would be much more.

Orange is the new black.

What are they bidding for? I am not familiar with a bidding process for NHL teams
- senstroll

Franchise fee differes by market. It's not a set amount. NHL sets the amount.

There are apparently multiple ownership groups in the GTA who would be interested in getting an expansion team. They would bid for the team via the expansion team they would pay, theoretically.

What are they bidding for? I am not familiar with a bidding process for NHL teams
- senstroll

Umm really? Is this a serious question? They're bidding on 20 timbits, obviously.

Agree to disagree

Bozak is being used as a #1 because there just is not anything better (there is)
I would just as soon use Grab as #1 at 5.5 as a "well there isnt anything better" scenario.

We are in Far Far better cap space with just Grabo @ 5.5 for 4 years than Liles @ 3.8 for 3 and Bozak @ 4.2 for 5

We dont have to "try" to move Liles he is already gone. the only way we move him is if someone is willing to take him if we eat 50% of this salary/cap.. .thats even a big IF.

Why the (frank) do we want another non roster cap hit for 3 years.. dont even think about buying him out so we can have it for 6.

Nonis is building a team that suits Carlyle, I hope it works. I am skeptical.
- senstroll

What if he slides into #2 role when Kadri is (hopefully) ready for #1? I have long maintained the Leafs will contend for a Cup when Kessel is on the 2nd line and away from #1 shutdown units...over the course of 4 rounds that will keep him fresher and the Leafs more successful.

I am a Bozak fan - he would have been signed by now if he went to UFA...I firmly believe that and for the team Carlyle wants to deploy he is the right fit.

guys has prock weighed in on Grabovski vs. Bozak?

Two days until the start of the non-compliance buyout period, August 2nd to 4th.

Does this JML is on his way out?
- zazzle

Have you seen the buyout? It is a hamstring...after we finally get the Armstrong/Tucker buyouts off the books. 6 more years of it for JML? There's a trade to be made somewhere.