Yeah, but, PARROS COULD BEAT UP KESSEL NO PROBLEM!!!

ARRR ARR ARR!!!!
- Pecafan Fan

Video or I call BS

You're right!!!

Orr >>>>>> Lucic
- Pecafan Fan

only when it comes to stick handling

You know what the difference between Grabovski and Bozak is in a salary cap world? Jay McClement. Pretty useful piece, and for all those CORSI advanced stats worshipers, he had the worst in the league. I can make up a pointless stat formula too. Here's one:

$5.5 million x 4 more years x 3rd line centre = waste of roster spot, or represented numerically: -3
- Deeps27

Could you please come on here and post this every time another Bozak vs. Grabovski debate starts up?

This can't be said enough: Bozak is not better than Grabovski, but Bozak @ 4.2 is sure a lot better than Grabo at $5.5 mil.

I loved Grabo the player, and I'm on the fence on this one (should be obvious by the fact that I think Bozak could actually succeed as a second line centre). I would've been fine with either/or as our 2nd line centre, with Kadri getting the #1 spot. But what bothered me about Grabo was his performance during the third periods of all 7 games in that Boston series. For the first two periods he'd be doing everything he could on the ice which I admired, but when poop went wrong he was on the ice, often out of position. I know on some of those plays it was a brain cramp by a guy like O'Byrne, or a blown tire by a Phaneuf........but you don't go -10 in a playoff series the way he went -10. Most of those minuses were when the game was on the line. Again, staying on the fence, those are the reasons I don't mind seeming him go (as well as that salary), but the way he played for the three years before that, and the way he played through 80% of the Boston series, I will wonder if we made the right choice hitching our train to Bozak over him. Either way, dem be the breaks. Hopefully Bozak will meet my expectations, and if not, I'll cry more about losing Alex Steen then I will about losing Grabovski.

Could you please come on here and post this every time another Bozak vs. Grabovski debate starts up?

This can't be said enough: Bozak is not better than Grabovski, but Bozak @ 4.2 is sure a lot better than Grabo at $5.5 mil.
- Leeman4Gilmour

We have more cap space if we kept Grab, left Bozak go and bought out Liles and Komisarek.

that argument is invalid and should not be posted again, we still have Mcclemment

Yeah, but, PARROS COULD BEAT UP KESSEL NO PROBLEM!!!

ARRR ARR ARR!!!!
- Pecafan Fan

I can beat everyone up.


I'll do it too.

We have more cap space if we kept Grab, left Bozak go and bought out Liles and Komisarek.

that argument is invalid and should not be posted again, we still have Mcclemment
- senstroll

I'll wait and see what happens with Liles before assuming anything.

I loved Grabo the player, and I'm on the fence on this one (should be obvious by the fact that I think Bozak could actually succeed as a second line centre). I would've been fine with either/or as our 2nd line centre, with Kadri getting the #1 spot. But what bothered me about Grabo was his performance during the third periods of all 7 games in that Boston series. For the first two periods he'd be doing everything he could on the ice which I admired, but when poop went wrong he was on the ice, often out of position. I know on some of those plays it was a brain cramp by a guy like O'Byrne, or a blown tire by a Phaneuf........but you don't go -10 in a playoff series the way he went -10. Most of those minuses were when the game was on the line. Again, staying on the fence, those are the reasons I don't mind seeming him go (as well as that salary), but the way he played for the three years before that, and the way he played through 80% of the Boston series, I will wonder if we made the right choice hitching our train to Bozak over him. Either way, dem be the breaks. Hopefully Bozak will meet my expectations, and if not, I'll cry more about losing Alex Steen then I will about losing Grabovski.
- mykokes

Absolutely. If he had played in the playoffs the way he had played in the regular season (basically invisible), nobody would say a peep about the buy-out.

For whatever, he seemed to redeem himself in the playoffs. However, when the dust settled, he had 2 points and a minus-10. I guess he... got hit a lot and kept getting up?

Okay, good for him. He showed a little heart. But he was absolutely useless to us otherwise. We can blame his lack of production this year on his defensive assignments, but how do we excuse the fact that he was miserable at his defensive assignments, too?

I can beat everyone up.


I'll do it too.
- robin_steele264

Four airplanes, two into the world trade centre, one in a farmers field, one into the pentagon....discuss....but do it in Frenchies blog.

I'll wait and see what happens with Liles before assuming anything.
- mykokes

And we have enough space to sign Franson and Kadri now instead of waiting and nickel and dimeing them.

ps we still have mcllement in my scenario

Absolutely. If he had played in the playoffs the way he had played in the regular season (basically invisible), nobody would say a peep about the buy-out.

For whatever, he seemed to redeem himself in the playoffs. However, when the dust settled, he had 2 points and a minus-10. I guess he... got hit a lot and kept getting up?

Okay, good for him. He showed a little heart. But he was absolutely useless to us otherwise. We can blame his lack of production this year on his defensive assignments, but how do we excuse the fact that he was miserable at his defensive assignments, too?
- Leeman4Gilmour

(frank) garbo.. he's gone

not a generational talent.

thought maybe he deserved a better fate after he put in some hard time on this team.
but management thought otherwise.

he's gone. definitely won't miss him (judging solely on last year to this year, before that ... sure) but we'll be no worse off without him this year than with carlyles use of him last year

stricly as a third line checker bolland at 3.5>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabo at 5.5

Four airplanes, two into the world trade centre, one in a farmers field, one into the pentagon....discuss....but do it in Frenchies blog.
- mykokes

I already won the Internet.

We have more cap space if we kept Grab, left Bozak go and bought out Liles and Komisarek.

that argument is invalid and should not be posted again, we still have Mcclemment
- senstroll

Yes, but then you still have Grabovski for 4 years and that contract doesn't magically become any better.

I'd rather have Liles at 3.9 for 3 more years than Grabovski at 5.5 for 4 more. Liles is still easier to move and has fewer cap repercussions if we have to use a regular buy-out on him.

And we have enough space to sign Franson and Kadri now instead of waiting and nickel and dimeing them.

ps we still have mcllement in my scenario
- senstroll

This is totally unrelated, but I know Carlyle had no issues with Jason Blake in Anaheim, I wonder if that douche stuck a poison pill into Carlyles mind before coming here. Ie. Carlyle said when he was hired he already asked around about what he was inheriting from Wilson.

closes the book on the buyout yes, re-opens the book on bad decisions from leafs management

Every outsider agrees.

thats all I can say on it.
- senstroll

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with Leaf management god knows we've all done it in years past..

Grabovski is not an impact player so at the end of the day who cares, IMO.

I already won the Internet.
- robin_steele264

This is totally unrelated, but I know Carlyle had no issues with Jason Blake in Anaheim, I wonder if that douche stuck a poison pill into Carlyles mind before coming here. Ie. Carlyle said when he was hired he already asked around about what he was inheriting from Wilson.
- mykokes

I think Carlyle would probably take the word of Burke over Jason Blake. And Burke did seem to like Grabo.

Whether or not Burke would have bought out Grabovski is another issue, but he did have his fans in Toronto when Carlyle arrived.

Yes, but then you still have Grabovski for 4 years and that contract doesn't magically become any better.

I'd rather have Liles at 3.9 for 3 more years than Grabovski at 5.5 for 4 more. Liles is still easier to move and has fewer cap repercussions if we have to use a regular buy-out on him.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Agree to disagree

Bozak is being used as a #1 because there just is not anything better (there is)
I would just as soon use Grab as #1 at 5.5 as a "well there isnt anything better" scenario.

We are in Far Far better cap space with just Grabo @ 5.5 for 4 years than Liles @ 3.8 for 3 and Bozak @ 4.2 for 5

We dont have to "try" to move Liles he is already gone. the only way we move him is if someone is willing to take him if we eat 50% of this salary/cap.. .thats even a big IF.

Why the (frank) do we want another non roster cap hit for 3 years.. dont even think about buying him out so we can have it for 6.

Nonis is building a team that suits Carlyle, I hope it works. I am skeptical.

Agree to disagree

Bozak is being used as a #1 because there just is not anything better (there is)
I would just as soon use Grab as #1 at 5.5 as a "well there isnt anything better" scenario.

We are in Far Far better cap space with just Grabo @ 5.5 for 4 years than Liles @ 3.8 for 3 and Bozal at 4.2 for 5

We dont have to "try" to move Liles he is already gone. the only way we move it if someone is willing to take him if we eat 50% of this salary/cap.. .thats even a big IF.

Why the (frank) do we want another non roster cap hit for 3 years.. dont even think about buying him out so we can have it for 6.

Nonis is building a team that suits Carlyle, I hope it works. I am skeptical.
- senstroll

I think the Leafs could get away with eating 900k of Liles salary.....to me if he were a fa he'd still get a 2.75-2.9M dealio.

grabo not an impact player

yeah probably right.. but there is also the PP time as well.. i bet he gets a little of that
- Dozzer

yeah for sure.

i think he goes to washington 100%.

they just figuring out their game plan.

Agree to disagree

Bozak is being used as a #1 because there just is not anything better (there is)
I would just as soon use Grab as #1 at 5.5 as a "well there isnt anything better" scenario.

We are in Far Far better cap space with just Grabo @ 5.5 for 4 years than Liles @ 3.8 for 3 and Bozak @ 4.2 for 5

We dont have to "try" to move Liles he is already gone. the only way we move him is if someone is willing to take him if we eat 50% of this salary/cap.. .thats even a big IF.

Why the (frank) do we want another non roster cap hit for 3 years.. dont even think about buying him out so we can have it for 6.

Nonis is building a team that suits Carlyle, I hope it works. I am skeptical.
- senstroll

All the great teams build themselves around philosophies and systems. The Detroit Red Wings or the New England Patriots are the first ones that pop into mind.

I'd rather see them build the team with a clear set of needs in mind and fill roster spots based on how well each player adapts to the system.

Simply trying to get the best players available and throw them together doesn't always yield success. In fact, I can think of more than a few high-priced failures (like the Rangers) who tried that strategy.

While Bozak isn't a better player than Grabo, sometimes you just have to go with the Bozak type because he fits the philosophy you're trying to instill.

Geezus Murphy bettman wants an expansion team in Seattle...expansion? un (frank)ing believable

Yes, but then you still have Grabovski for 4 years and that contract doesn't magically become any better.

I'd rather have Liles at 3.9 for 3 more years than Grabovski at 5.5 for 4 more. Liles is still easier to move and has fewer cap repercussions if we have to use a regular buy-out on him.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Not magically, but it actually does. After the cap goes up and after his plausible redemption year next year, then it'd be a hell of a lot more manageable to move.

yeah for sure.

i think he goes to washington 100%.

they just figuring out their game plan.
- big_dion

that or the peg.. but it will cost the jets more i would think

nobody wants to live there