Nope agreed. He did play him. Maybe he should have played Fraser ..... oops injured. How about Liles? Nope he didn't want him in there. O'Bryn? Um no. Not much left so Gardiner it is.
- honesthockey

hahahaha ya because u have to the number1 dman in toronto to play ahead of fraser liles and obyrn

give your head a shake man

edit: phaneuf, gunnarson, franson?

you honestly belive the sole purpose the leafs began to win was grabo getting limited ice time?

thats a hell of a long ways beneath your intelligence.. i am ashamed for you

you dont think that factors like

1: a new defensive structure
2: young players making an impact
3: new bottom pairing guys like mcclement shoring things up
4: a goaltending duo who played over their head
5: the lockout giving guys like kostka an advanatage in the early part of the year

no.. none of that matter.. the leafs made the playoffs because grabo was used less.

like i said.. way beneath your intellect.
- Dozzer

Ok was one factor possibly been less playing time for Grabovski?

God I hope I'm wrong on Gardiner.

Nope agreed. He did play him. Maybe he should have played Fraser ..... oops injured. How about Liles? Nope he didn't want him in there. O'Bryn? Um no. Not much left so Gardiner it is.
- honesthockey

You do realize that Fraser played in 3 of the same games as Gardiner during that series yet Gardiner got on avg. 7 more minutes a game in two of those games, and I disregarded the third one since fraser broke his face in that one.

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- Symba007

are you trying to get banned symba?

Ok was one factor possibly been less playing time for Grabovski?
- honesthockey

i wont deny that.. but i wont put the emphasis that you do on it

You do realize that Fraser played in 3 of the same games as Gardiner during that series yet Gardiner got on avg. 7 more minutes a game in two of those games, and I disregarded the third one since fraser broke his face in that one.
- mykokes

And....

Ok was one factor possibly been less playing time for Grabovski?
- honesthockey

Was one factor possibly also Bozak getting better? JVR giving us another top 6 forward? Reimer returning to form? Scrivens proving a capable backup? And perhaps, just perhaps NO RON WILSON?

And....
- honesthockey

You inferred that Fraser would've got the minutes, yet when fraser was there, Gardiner got the minutes.

Was one factor possibly also Bozak getting better? JVR giving us another top 6 forward? Reimer returning to form? Scrivens proving a capable backup? And perhaps, just perhaps NO RON WILSON?
- mykokes

Absolutely. Was one factor maybe less ice for Grabovski?

And....
- honesthockey

AND... on one hand... bozak is obviously good because carlyle plays him

on the other gardiner is only played by carlyle because he has no options

i see irony in here somewhere but i just can't put my finger on it

Ok was one factor possibly been less playing time for Grabovski?
- honesthockey

No.
That would imply that the reason we were losing games was because of Grabo.
We get it, you like Blozak......that's ok. There use to be that loved Schenn on here too and would defend every stupid thing he did.
But come on!
Bozak is not reason the leafs made the playoffs and Grabo is not the reason they didn't make it the previous years.
In fact, up until last year, Grabo was easily one the leafs best players.

God I hope I'm wrong on Gardiner.
- honesthockey

I trust the USA Olympic team scouts over you.

You're wrong.

Ok was one factor possibly been less playing time for Grabovski?
- honesthockey

So going from 17:34 to 15:34 (19:00 in the playoffs) is a factor?

what about using Grab as a checking center, maybe that was the reason they made the playoffs?

Now what we just let our reason we made the playoff go

Absolutely. Was one factor maybe less ice for Grabovski?
- honesthockey

I'd argue the contrary, Grabo was useless as a third line centre.

He had a poop season and I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure if he got worse as a hockey player or if it was moreso, he just didn't understand what Carlyle needed him to do.

You inferred that Fraser would've got the minutes, yet when fraser was there, Gardiner got the minutes.
- mykokes

Holy (frank) with inferred. How many minutes were PP?

AND... on one hand... bozak is obviously good because carlyle plays him

on the other gardiner is only played by carlyle because he has no options

i see irony in here somewhere but i just can't put my finger on it
- dragus84

God I hope I'm wrong on Gardiner.
- honesthockey

Why?
Do you think he sucks?

I trust the USA Olympic team scouts over you.

You're wrong.
- Compeyson

Burkies boy.

Absolutely. Was one factor maybe less ice for Grabovski?
- honesthockey

using your logic you could argue that the third line minutes and being used in a checking role was WHY the leafs made the playoffs as well

the tunnel vision attitude you are trying to sell is pretty transparent

I'd argue the contrary, Grabo was useless as a third line centre.

He had a poop season and I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure if he got worse as a hockey player or if it was moreso, he just didn't understand what Carlyle needed him to do.
- mykokes

Carlyle was using him incorrectly.

Why?
Do you think he sucks?
- Fakepartofme

No. Just huge flaws in his game that I'm not convinced are fixable.

Holy (frank) with inferred. How many minutes were PP?
- honesthockey

Uh, has it been that long hh? How many PP's did we get in that series?

Burkies boy.
- honesthockey

Like how Bozak is Carlyles boy? Circular like normal.

using your logic you could argue that the third line minutes and being used in a checking role was WHY the leafs made the playoffs as well

the tunnel vision attitude you are trying to sell is pretty transparent
- Dozzer

Funny I ask a simple question that no one want's to answer.