well, you don't give up second-round picks and a player off your roster for a goalie you intend to start 25 games. Bernier will be the starter. and having your former starter on as the backup is just asking for controversy because A) he won't be happy and B) every time the starting goalie has a bad start, there will be a media-created controversy. especially in a city like Toronto, i don't see Bernier and Reimer co-existing for too long.
- DoubleDown

He will smile regardeless. They guy will get pulled from a game and smile through the post game interviews.

Who cares if he is not happy. You know what made leaf nation not happy? 10 minutes left in 3rd period of game 7 in boston. Sure a lot of people are to blame as well . but he's the goalie.

Bernier is a better goalie that took a moderately steep price to acquire. He will be the starter.

I can see the Leafs moving Reimer and Bernier flopping and Remier somehow panning out to be God on skates. That's just something that would happen to the Leafs.
- TheJerseyDevil1

Which is why we need to let 'em play before making any plans for trades.

all possibilities as well.

but I'm expecting Bernier to win out on this one. Either way, pretty sure they both aren't here Next September.
- Big_Lightnin

Best course of action anyways would be to let them duke it out for the #1 spot this season and re-evaluate next year when there will be veteran back-up goalies available on the open market.

So you're 100% certain Bernier is better than Reimer. I'm only 93% sure, so I say let 'em play.
- 1979AD

I still hold that its 50/50 between both of them right now.

With Rielly and Blacker in the system and Gardiner and Gunnarsson already at the NHL level Liles is certainly the most expendable. I understand what you are saying and if possible that's the avenue I;d traverse as well. That being said if you can't move Liles for decent value then trade Franson at his peak now. Let Liles recoup some value in a top 4 roll and then ship him out when one of Blacker/Rielly is ready. Even if Liles doesn't bounce back fully he will probably have similar value to now, especially at the deadline.
- Lipchitz

agreed but the D would be worse then last year which is what i dont want but you cant do much about that if you are left with no option but trade franson. Id love to package him for Petro or Bogi but i dont see that either.

Gonchar was 5 mil liles is far less
- jake24242

Maybe you can buy one of the Devils' amnesty buyouts. We could use the money.

Gonchar was 5 mil liles is far less
- jake24242

$3.9M is the cap hit for Liles

Gonchar was 5 mil liles is far less
- jake24242

Gonchar had 27 pts, Liles had far less

and Liles actually makes $4.25M for the next 2 years, and cap hit difference is only $1.1M... not FAR less, for a FAR LESS effective player.

doooont mind if I do!!
- Colin Dambrauskas

The emotes were a nice touch

Wow what a joke. Nurse and a 2nd. You wouldn't even get Nurse straight up.
Nick Shultz + Martin Gernat + 2015 2nd
- Ihatebrianburke

Not a joke at all hes a NHL ready D with husge upside they cost you that price to get.

I still hold that its 50/50 between both of them right now.
- Colin Dambrauskas

It's going to be interesting to watch any which way. Let's get this season started!

So you're 100% certain Bernier is better than Reimer. I'm only 93% sure, so I say let 'em play.
- 1979AD

not at all. i have never seen Bernier play. i'm just deducing what Nonis appears to be doing. and even if they're allowed to battle, you can only do that for so long, unless they both completely suck. gotta pick a starter at some point and whoever of those 2 is NOT the starter is gonna go batpoop.

How about RNH, Hall, And Yakupov, Eberle and J.Shultz for Kadri and Franson, Reimer and 3rd and a 4th?

How much would we need to add?
- yaktalksback

Just Klefbom

Franson > Gunnarsson
Franson > Ranger

So they sign Gunnarsson and Ranger first, then realize there's no money left for Franson? WTF is that? Nonis doesn't understand the concept of priorities?
- 1979AD

when an RFA such as Gunnarson signs without going to arbitration... can he be traded? or is that rule about waiting a year still in place?

$3.9M is the cap hit for Liles
- Lipchitz

with Salary 4.25, 4.25, 2.75.

So budget teams are out of the running.

agreed but the D would be worse then last year which is what i dont want but you cant do much about that if you are left with no option but trade franson. Id love to package him for Petro or Bogi but i dont see that either.
- jake24242

Petro would cost u franson, kadri, Gardner

agreed but the D would be worse then last year which is what i dont want but you cant do much about that if you are left with no option but trade franson. Id love to package him for Petro or Bogi but i dont see that either.
- jake24242

As others have been saying Franson + in a package for a better defender makes loads of sense. Pieterangelo is one of the few D-men in the league I would go all out for. Bogosian is too hot and cold for me at the moment. Obviously he would come at a cheaper cost and a smaller contract though.

I really can't see them trading Franson before doing whatever possible to move Liles. Liles is more than expendable having Gardiner ready to make an impact and Rielly knocking on the door. Franson however is just coming into his own and by most indications is going to be a VERY solid two-way defender who could still improve. I think letting him go for picks and prospects would be a mistake and something the team would regret. hopefully Dregs is mistaken.

when an RFA such as Gunnarson signs without going to arbitration... can he be traded? or is that rule about waiting a year still in place?
- BorjeFan4Ever

nope he can be traded immediately.


It's if they did go to Arbitration, or it was an offer-sheet that he can't be traded.

But I can't see Gunnar getting traded. he's the only one capable of playing top pair.

Petro would cost u franson, kadri, Gardner
- Snagglepuss

where do i sign

Gonchar had 27 pts, Liles had far less

and Liles actually makes $4.25M for the next 2 years, and cap hit difference is only $1.1M... not FAR less, for a FAR LESS effective player.
- Big_Lightnin

Didnt realize his cap hit went up this year and next and i would not say far less effective he would get the same or more points on a different team he didn't play much for the leafs.

Just Klefbom
- PatC80

If you want Klefbom as well you will need to add a 7th. If that is too high a price you can have Gagner.

Petro would cost u franson, kadri, Gardner
- Snagglepuss

I have to call Doug Armstrong to confirm that.

I really can't see them trading Franson before doing whatever possible to move Liles. Liles is more than expendable having Gardiner ready to make an impact and Rielly knocking on the door. Franson however is just coming into his own and by most indications is going to be a VERY solid two-way defender who could still improve. I think letting him go for picks and prospects would be a mistake and something the team would regret. hopefully Dregs is mistaken.
- Gusto

Don't really know if there is a market for Liles right now

with Salary 4.25, 4.25, 2.75.

So budget teams are out of the running.
- Big_Lightnin

I could see teams at the cap floor, like NYI, being interested. As you said though needs to be teams who have budget or cap space which will be hard to find.