where do i sign
- Lee Denault

And a first
Lol

Petro would cost u franson, kadri, Gardner
- Snagglepuss

I don't get it... do you mean he'd hurt them all in Practise?

EDIT: my bad I thought we were still talking about Petry

Counter Gagner.
- yaktalksback

No dice

I really can't see them trading Franson before doing whatever possible to move Liles. Liles is more than expendable having Gardiner ready to make an impact and Rielly knocking on the door. Franson however is just coming into his own and by most indications is going to be a VERY solid two-way defender who could still improve. I think letting him go for picks and prospects would be a mistake and something the team would regret. hopefully Dregs is mistaken.
- Gusto

To bad Peto isnt available he has openly said he want to be resigned and will not accept an offer sheet so thats that.

I don't get it... do you mean he'd hurt them all in Practise?
- Big_Lightnin

4/10

I don't get it... do you mean he'd hurt them all in Practise?
- Big_Lightnin

no, they'd all be too intimated to even get on the same sheet of ice as Pietroangelo

funny. I guarantee TO's next to EDM in the standings next year
- TheNugeIsHuge

What sort of facts do you have that backs this up? Certainly not track record.

Petro would cost u franson, kadri, Gardner
- Snagglepuss

Ya no that value is way to high the return would be far less. 3 nhl players for 1 is not how you make a deal when they are all high upside players. Those trades never happen when a player is traded.

I could see teams at the cap floor, like NYI, being interested. As you said though needs to be teams who have budget or cap space which will be hard to find.
- Lipchitz

If they eat a Million or so on the deal, he's moveable.

But when Ron Hainsey is out there for essentially the same price, or slightly more (not a PMD I know but still good 2-way), why would anybody take Liles when they'd have to give up an asset.

It's doable, but not in a trade that will free up the full cap hit without something bad coming back.

What sort of facts do you have that backs this up? Certainly not track record.
- Deeps27

Dubnyk > Bernier/Reimer combined

not at all. i have never seen Bernier play. i'm just deducing what Nonis appears to be doing. and even if they're allowed to battle, you can only do that for so long, unless they both completely suck. gotta pick a starter at some point and whoever of those 2 is NOT the starter is gonna go batpoop.
- DoubleDown

its easy - play the hot goalie. Nothing wrong with a close to 50/50 split going into next year if it means finding the right guy for the playoffs....imo.

4/10
- DoubleDown

I read Petro as Petry

Typical Oilers' dunce. If it's not clearly a lopsided deal in the Oilers favour it's a bad move. Seriously, how does this move remotely help the Leafs with their salary cap issues or winning next season? Now ask yourself, "why would the Leafs make their situation worse to move their second best defender?"
- Lipchitz

So you think Franson is worth the 7th overall + a 2nd rounder? Schneider was just traded for the 9th overall and his value greatly exceeds Franson. Nick Shultz is a better defensive dman than Franson which is what you guys need more with Reilly and Gardiner most likely making the team this year. Gernat is a good prospect and a 2nd rounder is a solid asset as well. Roster player, prospect, and pick is a good value for an offensive dman that isn't good in his own zone. And if you say otherwise that he is good in his own zone then Patrice Bergeron says hi.

Petro would cost u franson, kadri, Gardner
- Snagglepuss

I'd definitely move Gardiner and Franson for Petro, would keep Kadri and Rielly (assuming someone was thinking of moving him) out of the package though. Something like Gardiner + Franson + 2014 1st + Holzer + Colbourne for Pietrangelo on a 7/8yr deal.

Didnt realize his cap hit went up this year and next and i would not say far less effective he would get the same or more points on a different team he didn't play much for the leafs.
- jake24242

Cap hit stay at $3.9M but the actual salary goes up this year.

I really can't see them trading Franson before doing whatever possible to move Liles. Liles is more than expendable having Gardiner ready to make an impact and Rielly knocking on the door. Franson however is just coming into his own and by most indications is going to be a VERY solid two-way defender who could still improve. I think letting him go for picks and prospects would be a mistake and something the team would regret. hopefully Dregs is mistaken.
- Gusto

If Franson is looking for $5M... see ya, end of story.

It's it's just about squeezing him in at $4M instead of $3.5, then it should get done.

But they could just sign him now and take until camp to fix it. Seems they would have to be very far apart.

How about RNH, Hall, And Yakupov, Eberle and J.Shultz for Kadri and Franson, Reimer and 3rd and a 4th?

How much would we need to add?

Leafs add to Kadri in a RNH deal. Let's be realistic.
- yaktalksback

Injury prone/fragile, Love, Not keen on Russians, (except Kuli) too small, worse defensively than our D that's already not great defensively.

I think you'd need to add Omark.

Who's that?
- walshyleafsfan

6'5 offensive dman. Good skater. Played for Slovakia in the world juniors. Just under a ppg pace in his rookie season for the Oil Kings. Missed a big chunk of last year due to injury but came back strong at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Solid prospect.

I'd definitely move Gardiner and Franson for Petro, would keep Kadri and Rielly (assuming someone was thinking of moving him) out of the package though. Something like Gardiner + Franson + 2014 1st + Holzer + Colbourne for Pietrangelo on a 7/8yr deal.
- Lipchitz

It would have to be a lot 4 sure

If Franson is looking for $5M... see ya, end of story.

It's it's just about squeezing him in at $4M instead of $3.5, then it should get done.

But they could just sign him now and take until camp to fix it. Seems they would have to be very far apart.
- Big_Lightnin

I'd love someone to offer sheet him at 5.1mil. Take the first second and third.

If the Leafs don't fix their defense and cap I'm thinking they miss the playoffs.

So you think Franson is worth the 7th overall + a 2nd rounder? Schneider was just traded for the 9th overall and his value greatly exceeds Franson. Nick Shultz is a better defensive dman than Franson which is what you guys need more with Reilly and Gardiner most likely making the team this year. Gernat is a good prospect and a 2nd rounder is a solid asset as well. Roster player, prospect, and pick is a good value for an offensive dman that isn't good in his own zone. And if you say otherwise that he is good in his own zone then Patrice Bergeron says hi.
- Ihatebrianburke

IMO Scnieder value was not much better than Berniers... there was barely any goalie market.. Jersey got an unezpected opportunity. Franson has more value, goalies were seemingly available eveywhere this year. Remember how everyone thought miller would get traded? No value.

So you think Franson is worth the 7th overall + a 2nd rounder? Schneider was just traded for the 9th overall and his value greatly exceeds Franson. Nick Shultz is a better defensive dman than Franson which is what you guys need more with Reilly and Gardiner most likely making the team this year. Gernat is a good prospect and a 2nd rounder is a solid asset as well. Roster player, prospect, and pick is a good value for an offensive dman that isn't good in his own zone. And if you say otherwise that he is good in his own zone then Patrice Bergeron says hi.
- Ihatebrianburke

I don't even care to get in to the value. Your failure to realize the situation of both organizations and propose a trade that was mutually beneficial is what drew immediate criticisms. Also hell ya Toronto would want Nurse back for Franson. First round picks bust all the time. A mean projection for Nurse's future value is probably is under Franson's current talent level.

So you think Franson is worth the 7th overall + a 2nd rounder? Schneider was just traded for the 9th overall and his value greatly exceeds Franson. Nick Shultz is a better defensive dman than Franson which is what you guys need more with Reilly and Gardiner most likely making the team this year. Gernat is a good prospect and a 2nd rounder is a solid asset as well. Roster player, prospect, and pick is a good value for an offensive dman that isn't good in his own zone. And if you say otherwise that he is good in his own zone then Patrice Bergeron says hi.
- Ihatebrianburke

I don't think his value is higher then Franson for a goalie with his first half season as a starter. There are a ton of goalies out there right now there value isn't as high as it could be in other years. Puck moving D are at a premium right now. Not like Schneider carried them deep into the playoffs either he was replaced by Lou and then traded. Look at what the leafs spent to get Bernier not as much as people expected.

If the Leafs don't fix their defense and cap I'm thinking they miss the playoffs.
- aminnes

at least one guy figured it out so far...