So Nonis had a 3 year contract and that was ripped up and he was given a 5 year deal. So technically he signed a 2 year extension.

This is Management saying you have 5 years, win something.

With this team I dont see that happening within that window
Esp if we dont keep acquiring young talent, I dont want the cycle of signing/trading for old players..again
- senstroll

You mean like that "cycle" from 93-02 when we made 4 semi-finals with older teams?

You can't keep turning over the roster into young players...they don't win sh!t. It has to be a combo of young talent and experienced vets.

You mean like that "cycle" from 93-02 when we made 4 semi-finals with older teams?

You can't keep turning over the roster into young players...they don't win sh!t. It has to be a combo of young talent and experienced vets.
- djamon

Yes I mean that time from 93-02 when the leafs actually didnt win a damn thing, let alone make it to a cup final. Like I said 4 semi-finals, the mediocrity we celebrate

Now its a much different league, Salary cap, young players rule the league.
Its not happened yet, but these 5 year plan scenarios tend to bring out the worst moves in GMs. Signing clarkson to a 7 year deal is bordering on that.

Yes I mean that time from 93-02 when the leafs actually didnt win a damn thing, let alone make it to a cup final. Like I said 4 semi-finals, the mediocrity we celebrate

Now its a much different league, Salary cap, young players rule the league.
Its not happened yet, but these 5 year plan scenarios tend to bring out the worst moves in GMs. Signing clarkson to a 7 year deal is bordering on that.
- senstroll

I wish Clarkson was signed for 5 years instead of 7...but we weren't going to get him for that term, and I'd rather have him than not.

I agree the Cap necessitates having young, cheap talent on your roster to win consistently. But there needs to be a mix of veterans in there as well for leadership. It's been a real weakness of ours these last few years. The Oilers, for all their talent, won't win a thing until they realize this.

Edit - And I'm sorry, but I don't consider 4 semis in 10 years mediocre. We were a legitimate contender through that whole era...and that's all you can ask for.

Yeah, we generally think of 'goof' as meaning buffoon or jackoff, but I called a guy I know who's been in prison a goof one time and he didn't take it too well
- Zezel

You probably should of just went and picked your weapons out

I wish Clarkson was signed for 5 years instead of 7...but we weren't going to get him for that term, and I'd rather have him than not.

I agree the Cap necessitates having young, cheap talent on your roster to win consistently. But there needs to be a mix of veterans in there as well for leadership. It's been a real weakness of ours these last few years. The Oilers, for all their talent, won't win a thing until they realize this.

Edit - And I'm sorry, but I don't consider 4 semis in 10 years mediocre. We were a legitimate contender through that whole era...and that's all you can ask for.
- djamon

If we had of developed some youth with those teams they would have been dynamite... The downfall was always trying to trade for someone to play with Sundin rather than drafting.

I also think Clarkson is going to light it up in T.O. and no one will give a poop about his term by the halfway point of the season.

I'm actually really excited to see everyones opinions 180 once Kadri regains form and Clarkson/Bolland show you why we should be bringing in hometown players.

Whats up? Who's everyone hating on today?

If we had of developed some youth with those teams they would have been dynamite... The downfall was always trying to trade for someone to play with Sundin rather than drafting.

I also think Clarkson is going to light it up in T.O. and no one will give a poop about his term by the halfway point of the season.

I'm actually really excited to see everyones opinions 180 once Kadri regains form and Clarkson/Bolland show you why we should be bringing in hometown players.
- Jay Uller

So true. Our drafting was really awful back then. And it wasn't for a lack of picks...we had tons of 1st rounders just thrown down the toilet. Ironically enough, it was JFJ who finally turned the scouting department around and made it somewhat productive.

Yeah, we generally think of 'goof' as meaning buffoon or jackoff, but I called a guy I know who's been in prison a goof one time and he didn't take it too well
- Zezel

You get shivved in the joint for that. If someone calls you a goof in a Canadian jail and you don't fight him you will become a female dog fast or get punked by literally everyone.

If we had of developed some youth with those teams they would have been dynamite... The downfall was always trying to trade for someone to play with Sundin rather than drafting.

I also think Clarkson is going to light it up in T.O. and no one will give a poop about his term by the halfway point of the season.

I'm actually really excited to see everyones opinions 180 once Kadri regains form and Clarkson/Bolland show you why we should be bringing in hometown players.
- Jay Uller

Sundin had Mogilny and Roberts to play with, the whole he didnt have wingers is bogus, maybe the last year or 2 but he was garbage by then, hurt , fat and old, ask the Canucks

So true. Our drafting was really awful back then. And it wasn't for a lack of picks...we had tons of 1st rounders just thrown down the toilet. Ironically enough, it was JFJ who finally turned the scouting department around and made it somewhat productive.
- djamon

JFJ was an above average scout... its too bad he was a below average gm and aparently doesn't know much about goalies.

Sundin had Mogilny and Roberts to play with, the whole he didnt have wingers is bogus, maybe the last year or 2 but he was garbage by then, hurt , fat and old, ask the Canucks
- PinkSock

When did I say that? my point was thete was no youth to learn and carry the torch when Sundin left.

So true. Our drafting was really awful back then. And it wasn't for a lack of picks...we had tons of 1st rounders just thrown down the toilet. Ironically enough, it was JFJ who finally turned the scouting department around and made it somewhat productive.
- djamon

If you go to hockeydb.com and look at the Leafs 1st round picks in the last 20 years, it's actually unfathomable.

The only notables are: Antropov,Steen,Colaicovo,Boyes,Schenn and Kadri

6 players in 20 years to make any impact. And by impact I mean, 3rd liners. They've all been traded and Kadri who was drafted in 2009 looks like he could be the real deal.

Sundin had Mogilny and Roberts to play with, the whole he didnt have wingers is bogus, maybe the last year or 2 but he was garbage by then, hurt , fat and old, ask the Canucks
- PinkSock

He spent far more time with Jonas Hoglund and Mickael Renberg than Mogilny.

Whats up? Who's everyone hating on today?
- t_leafs21

Corporate ticket holders with Platinum seats that don't even bother to show up to the game.. I really don't like those people..

If you go to hockeydb.com and look at the Leafs 1st round picks in the last 20 years, it's actually unfathomable.

The only notables are: Antropov,Steen,Colaicovo,Boyes,Schenn and Kadri

6 players in 20 years to make any impact. And by impact I mean, 3rd liners. They've all been traded and Kadri who was drafted in 2009 looks like he could be the real deal.
- t_leafs21

The worst is the year we had 3 of the top 21 picks, drafted all 3 from the same (frank)!ng team and the best we could do was Scott Thornton. What a disaster.

When did I say that? my point was thete was no youth to learn and carry the torch when Sundin left.
- Jay Uller

When? right here?

If we had of developed some youth with those teams they would have been dynamite... The downfall was always trying to trade for someone to play with Sundin rather than drafting.

I also think Clarkson is going to light it up in T.O. and no one will give a poop about his term by the halfway point of the season.

I'm actually really excited to see everyones opinions 180 once Kadri regains form and Clarkson/Bolland show you why we should be bringing in hometown players


- Jay Uller

The downfall was always trying to trade for someone to play with Sundin rather than drafting

"The downfall was always trying to trade for someone to play with Sundin rather than drafting"

Sundin had Mogilny and Roberts to play with, the whole he didnt have wingers is bogus, maybe the last year or 2 but he was garbage by then, hurt , fat and old, ask the Canucks
- PinkSock

Mogilny was way past his prime and Roberts was coming off of a broken neck. He never had great numbers here he was great in playoffs. Sundin had an old Steve Thomas. Lonny Bohanas, Jonas Hoglund and Berzyn for a lot of his time here.

When did I say that? my point was thete was no youth to learn and carry the torch when Sundin left.
- Jay Uller

"The downfall was always trying to trade for someone to play with Sundin rather than drafting"

Quote Jay Uller

Mogilny was way past his prime and Roberts was coming off of a broken neck. He never had great numbers here he was great in playoffs. Sundin had an old Steve Thomas. Lonny Bohanas, Jonas Hoglund and Berzyn for a lot of his time here.
- mantosh

Mogilny out scored mats, how was he passed his prime? he got a hip injury

In the 2002-2003 season Alexander Mogilny lead the Maple Leafs in scoring

It was the only season during Sundin's time in Toronto that he wasn't Toronto leading scorer. Sundin finished with 72 points to Mogilny's 79, and missed eight games.


But hey

Mogilny was way past his prime and Roberts was coming off of a broken neck. He never had great numbers here he was great in playoffs. Sundin had an old Steve Thomas. Lonny Bohanas, Jonas Hoglund and Berzyn for a lot of his time here.
- mantosh

No, Ponikorvsky?

If you go to hockeydb.com and look at the Leafs 1st round picks in the last 20 years, it's actually unfathomable.

The only notables are: Antropov,Steen,Colaicovo,Boyes,Schenn and Kadri

6 players in 20 years to make any impact. And by impact I mean, 3rd liners. They've all been traded and Kadri who was drafted in 2009 looks like he could be the real deal.
- t_leafs21

I dont think its as bad as you make it sound. the only the thing the leafs can never seem to do is find a Diamond outside of the top 10. A 2nd or 3rd rounder who becomes an elite talent.

If you draft 2 NHL'ers out of 1 draft year, you are doing ok.

JFJ in 2006 has Tlusty, Kulemin, Reimer, Stalberg, Komarov.

you also have Gunnarson who was a 7th, Frattin a 4th, nothing spectacular but solid players for late picks.

We really dont have enough Data to analyze 2009 and on.

Mogilny was way past his prime and Roberts was coming off of a broken neck. He never had great numbers here he was great in playoffs. Sundin had an old Steve Thomas. Lonny Bohanas, Jonas Hoglund and Berzyn for a lot of his time here.
- mantosh

His 20+ goals, 50 pts, 100 plus pims mean nothing?

In the 2002-2003 season Alexander Mogilny lead the Maple Leafs in scoring

It was the only season during Sundin's time in Toronto that he wasn't Toronto leading scorer. Sundin finished with 72 points to Mogilny's 79, and missed eight games.


But hey
- PinkSock

But Mogilny WAS past his prime at that point. And you didn't mention the other 2 injury prone years Mogilny spent in Toronto. Nor the fact that Sundin was a Leaf for 10 other years when Mogilny wasn't a Leaf at all.

But hey.

No, Ponikorvsky?
- PinkSock

Ah of course. The post lockout years of Ponikarovsky-Sundin-Antropov


The line was big and hard to play against though. Good for a 9th place finish, 2 years in a row