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Gary_B.
Location: stormey is an idiot. forget it. - Pecafan Fan, NY
Joined: 07.23.2013

Jul 25 @ 11:37 AM ET
They going to discuss contract extensions soon. My guess is they resign for two years and go on for one year contracts until they go home to Sweden. Though, if they decided to not resign them the Canucks would have over 30 million in cap space with six D sign and pretty much half of their forwards. But even with the Twins signed at less money the Canucks will have tons of money to spend next year on a player like Vanek or whoever else.
- Boinker


that's never a good thing unless you're balls deep in prospects that you can trade for high-priced vets, because generally what hits the UFA market is overpriced poop.
Boinker
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 10.24.2010

Jul 25 @ 11:37 AM ET
How many good years do you think they have left??

Also, Detroit will be all over them if they go UFA don't you think?

- Byfuglien Ate Me


They won;t go to a different team. They'll retire Canucks. They won't uproot their family to go Detroit, especially Detroit. They love it here and so does their family. After Vancouver it'll be on to Sweden. I honestly think they'll be first line players for another two years and second line players for another two. They have five years left. But I could also see them going back to Sweden after the 2015/2016 season.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Jul 25 @ 11:38 AM ET
If I'm a nuck fan I want Gillis as far away from this team as possible. He is completely ruining the teams cup window with the bullpoop he has pulled with this LU thing.
- Oilfan19


Point being?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 25 @ 11:38 AM ET
Fun times


"I think I am going to have to reserve comment for a while," Barry said. "We need to get up to speed and take some time. Obviously we are coming on to a difficult file and we need to give him proper advice and we need to take some time here, talk with Roberto, talk with Mike and Laurence"

Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Jul 25 @ 11:40 AM ET
that's never a good thing unless you're balls deep in prospects that you can trade for high-priced vets, because generally what hits the UFA market is overpriced poop.
- Gary_B.


As opposed to playing the prospects?
Gary_B.
Location: stormey is an idiot. forget it. - Pecafan Fan, NY
Joined: 07.23.2013

Jul 25 @ 11:43 AM ET
As opposed to playing the prospects?
- Whiskey-Tango


im saying if you have a ton of prospects not quite ready to contribute, so many that you can trade a few away and still be in good shape.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 25 @ 11:43 AM ET
Who retires at 60?
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 25 @ 11:45 AM ET
If I'm a nuck fan I want Gillis as far away from this team as possible. He is completely ruining the teams cup window with the bullpoop he has pulled with this LU thing.
- Oilfan19


OzBolts
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 05.09.2013

Jul 25 @ 11:47 AM ET
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 25 @ 11:51 AM ET
Who retires at 60?
- Scooby_Doo


Im going to retire they day of my 50th Birthday. Manulife guy at work doesn't like it but too (frank)ing bad for him.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 11:53 AM ET
cant wait for 2 years when we hear canuck fans saying "i think lack is a top 5 goalie in the league, lets trade luongo, he still has value"
- DarcyTucker16

Why do I get the feeling they aren't going to have that option in two years?
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 25 @ 11:54 AM ET
They won;t go to a different team. They'll retire Canucks. They won't uproot their family to go Detroit, especially Detroit. They love it here and so does their family. After Vancouver it'll be on to Sweden. I honestly think they'll be first line players for another two years and second line players for another two. They have five years left. But I could also see them going back to Sweden after the 2015/2016 season.
- Boinker


I can see that, but I also didn't think Alfredson would ever leave the Hens either.
Strange things can happen when youre talking money.
deanofnucks
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.08.2008

Jul 25 @ 11:54 AM ET


Truth be told: Gillis is not the type of GM to hint at things that do not have some substance or momentum behind them. MG said very plainly that the Twins want to re sign and the Canucks want to re sign them (finishing their career in one city where it all began). Luongo will not be bought out as there is no such thing as throwing away a buy out when it is for a player that fills a very specific need - and Lou IS the best option (now) for the Canucks and will be for the next 3 to 5 years.

The new youth movement is not going to be filling the first two lines anytime this season - and probably not for a few seasons yet. The only two rookies to ever have an impact in Vancouver in their first year were Bure and Linden. Unless Bo Horvat is the second coming of either of these players - I'm guessing he's not - he will play his 9 games in Vancouver after being a late cut at training camp and start his professional career next year in Utica after playing for his London OHL team and Team Canada Juniors.

Brendan Gaunce is an older rookie and will most likely (of any rookie besides Corrado) stick with the team. I only hope the new coach Torts is as good as they claim he is - and doesn't have Brendan perched on the 4th or 3rd line without seeing some special teams play.

Canucks still need an added veteran who could help with faceoffs : maybe Jeff Halpren? They could also use some grit that could play a 3rd line ringer winger role...

but on July 1st, 2014 there is a very real possibility Daniel, Henrik and Lu will be out the door and Vancouver will have a young nucleolus in place and somewhere around 30 million (if cap goes up about 4-5 million) to spend.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 11:54 AM ET
If I'm a nuck fan I want Gillis as far away from this team as possible. He is completely ruining the teams cup window with the bullpoop he has pulled with this LU thing.
- Oilfan19

This will be followed by the inevitable blind protection of Gillis.
acmidd28
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 06.17.2009

Jul 25 @ 11:59 AM ET
In the cap era, how much longer can the twins expect to play together for? They ain't cheap and their styles are identical.
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jul 25 @ 12:00 PM ET
I can see that, but I also didn't think Alfredson would ever leave the Hens either.
Strange things can happen when youre talking money.

- Byfuglien Ate Me


Yesterday's rumour was Barry and Melnyk don't get along very well, so Daniel left.
flyershockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: smh, NC
Joined: 07.09.2006

Jul 25 @ 12:02 PM ET
Yesterday's rumour was Barry and Melnyk don't get along very well, so Daniel left.
- IanEsplen


dont tell that to yost, he'll write and tweet about it for a month
BruHAWK
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jul 25 @ 12:03 PM ET
If I'm a Canucks fan, I want Gillis as far away from this rebuild as possible. The guy has taken what could have been a perennial cup contender and turned them into a middle of the pack team. His handling of Roberto Luongo/Corey Scneider throughout his time in Vancouver is ridiculous. Let's recap:

- Made Luongo Captain
- Resigns Luongo to a 12 year, 64 mil contract extension
- Strips Luongo of Captaincy
- Declares that Schneider will be the starter and that Luongo will not be back with Canucks
- Unable to trade Luongo due to horrible contract that he negotiated
- Trades Corey Scneider for far less than he could have (If he kept his mouth shut) and declares that Luongo his his starter for upcoming season
- TSN contacts Luongo who indicates that he had not spoken to Gillis previous to trade, and has not decided what he will do for the upcoming season.

That my friends is the work of an incompetent GM.

When Gillis first started, he made some good moves, that positioned the Nucks well. But lately he looks like a guy in a sinking ship trying to patch this team up with whatever he can get a hold of. Cut this guy loose before you don't have a ship left.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 25 @ 12:04 PM ET
FYI, Bure only played two seasons with the #96, he switched back to #10 for the 1997/98 season. He played 13 games in 1995/96 and 63 games in 1996/97. I think retiring #96 would be considered bad luck, as the two seasons he wore it were filled with injuries.

Re: Luongo - who gives a flying frank, next please.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 25 @ 12:05 PM ET
Yesterday's rumour was Barry and Melnyk don't get along very well, so Daniel left.
- IanEsplen


You think that's true? I thought Alfie was going back Home.
I really don't see him having a shot at the Cup with Detroit.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 25 @ 12:06 PM ET
If I'm a Canucks fan, I want Gillis as far away from this rebuild as possible. The guy has taken what could have been a perennial cup contender and turned them into a middle of the pack team. His handling of Roberto Luongo/Corey Scneider throughout his time in Vancouver is ridiculous. Let's recap:

- Made Luongo Captain
- Resigns Luongo to a 12 year, 64 mil contract extension
- Strips Luongo of Captaincy
- Declares that Schneider will be the starter and that Luongo will not be back with Canucks
- Unable to trade Luongo due to horrible contract that he negotiated
- Trades Corey Scneider for far less than he could have (If he kept his mouth shut) and declares that Luongo his his starter for upcoming season
- TSN contacts Luongo who indicates that he had not spoken to Gillis previous to trade, and has not decided what he will do for the upcoming season.

That my friends is the work of an incompetent GM.

When Gillis first started, he made some good moves, that positioned the Nucks well. But lately he looks like a guy in a sinking ship trying to patch this team up with whatever he can get a hold of. Cut this guy loose before you don't have a ship left.

- BruHAWK


Might want to get out your fact checker again
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 25 @ 12:09 PM ET
In the cap era, how much longer can the twins expect to play together for? They ain't cheap and their styles are identical.
- acmidd28


$17million per season for 8 seasons, I wouldn't worry about the Sedins.

BruHAWK
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jul 25 @ 12:09 PM ET
Might want to get out your fact checker again
- 1970vintage


You want to explain what part(s) wasn't factual?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 25 @ 12:10 PM ET
The Canucks made a royal mess of the Luongo situation. Schneider should have been traded long ago when they could have go t more for him.

I don't think Schneider is a bad goalie, but it's better to have the return he'd bring plus Luongo than Schneider and the return Luongo would bring.

Luongo is a class act, I'm sure he's making Gillis worry for the summer but he'll be back.
GardinerExpress
Location:
Joined: 08.21.2012

Jul 25 @ 12:10 PM ET
They going to discuss contract extensions soon. My guess is they resign for two years and go on for one year contracts until they go home to Sweden. Though, if they decided to not resign them the Canucks would have over 30 million in cap space with six D sign and pretty much half of their forwards. But even with the Twins signed at less money the Canucks will have tons of money to spend next year on a player like Vanek or whoever else.
- Boinker


Canucks have 21.5 mil in space without the sedins, its unreasonable to expect the cap to go up more than a couple million. If the Sedin's resign and Vanek comes to town, thats about 2.5 (max 5 if cap goes up) with only 15 guys signed.. Maybe possible if booth is bought out, but it would be tight
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