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twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 25 @ 4:37 PM ET
Keep digging that hole.
- KB3Point0

Willful ignorance doesn't mean you are right

If you need a picture, basically you are doing this:
annoyance_101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I am not a troll, I am not a t
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 4:37 PM ET
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 25 @ 4:38 PM ET
Difference is real news sites report trade discussions that have taken place, with the info. obtained from real sources tied to an organization

A rumour doesn't mean its false and made up

Speculation is false and made up.

- twiztedmike


Except that TSN and Sportsnet report both rumours and speculation. If you think everything that is reported is fact or verified rumour it's no wonder you're so freakin' confused.
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Jul 25 @ 4:39 PM ET
Except that TSN and Sportsnet report both rumours and speculation. If you think everything that is reported is fact or verified rumour it's no wonder you're so freakin' confused.
- KB3Point0



You preach it brutha.....
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Jul 25 @ 4:39 PM ET
Journalists don't reveal their sources when talking about something that's going on behind closed doors.

ie: Watergate, Deep Throat.

- Pecafan Fan


Journalists also tend to not use family members as sources because of a bias they will have when reporting on them.

Or at least that's what I've been taught
annoyance_101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I am not a troll, I am not a t
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 4:40 PM ET
Except that TSN and Sportsnet report both rumours and speculation. If you think everything that is reported is fact or verified rumour it's no wonder you're so freakin' confused.
- KB3Point0


He probably still thinks Iggy went to Boston at trade deadline
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 4:40 PM ET
Now youre an expert on journalism too? Bravo.....quit spindoctoring to suit your argument........until you can get something on record stating that is what MG wanted then it never happened....thats how life works my friend.....
- chompsey


It's common sense.

Real journalists don't reveal their sources. Remember that story?
http://www.cbc.ca/newsblo...c-and-daniel-leblanc.html

I know it doesn't have anything to do with hockey, but I'm just saying, it's how it goes.


twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 25 @ 4:40 PM ET
Except that TSN and Sportsnet report both rumours and speculation. If you think everything that is reported is fact or verified rumour it's no wonder you're so freakin' confused.
- KB3Point0

The fact that you think TSN or Sportsnet would report some 13 year old's baseless speculation is what makes you confused.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 25 @ 4:40 PM ET
I'm surprised they don't know all about Deep Throat.
- twiztedmike

Chompsey will teach you.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 4:41 PM ET
Journalists also tend to not use family members as sources because of a bias they will have when reporting on them.
- IanEsplen


Dregger OOZES integrity.





(not)
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 25 @ 4:41 PM ET
Chompsey will teach you.
- A_SteamingLombardi

OK I'm watching. Will you partner up with him?
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 25 @ 4:41 PM ET
Willful ignorance doesn't mean you are right

If you need a picture, basically you are doing this:

- twiztedmike


Says the guy who thinks that nothing that comes out of TSN or Sportsnet could possibly be speculation! How do you think they fill a whole day of coverage on trade deadline day, draft day and free agent day???
annoyance_101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I am not a troll, I am not a t
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 4:42 PM ET
The fact that you think TSN or Sportsnet would report some 13 year old's baseless speculation is what makes you confused.
- twiztedmike


Are you saying that Aaron Ward is a 13 year old?!?!?
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Jul 25 @ 4:42 PM ET
Chompsey will teach you.
- A_SteamingLombardi



why, whatever do you mean
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jul 25 @ 4:43 PM ET
The fact that you think TSN or Sportsnet would report some 13 year old's baseless speculation is what makes you confused.
- twiztedmike


This is what it's come to?
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 25 @ 4:43 PM ET
He probably still thinks Iggy went to Boston at trade deadline
- annoyance_101


What does that have to do with anything?

Chiarelli stated that he thought he had acquired Iginla. Up until Iginla refused to go to Boston, it was a fact.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 25 @ 4:45 PM ET
All I'm saying is that if it comes from TSN/Sportsnet, its probably not baseless... ther e is a little truth to it.

You people are living in denial

For example:
"Gillis didn't say he would try to trade Luongo" - annoyance
"Vancouver didn't ask for Gardiner & Kadri" - everyone

This despite the fact that you were all saying, and truly believed in your dear hearts, that Luongo was worth Gardiner, Kadri AND More, and so willingly believed that this was going to happen

And now that the tables have turned you are all in denial.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 25 @ 4:46 PM ET
What does that have to do with anything?

Chiarelli stated that he thought he had acquired Iginla. Up until Iginla refused to go to Boston, it was a fact.

- PatC80

Facts in Boston are not facts in Calgary.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 25 @ 4:46 PM ET
What does that have to do with anything?

Chiarelli stated that he thought he had acquired Iginla. Up until Iginla refused to go to Boston, it was a fact.

- PatC80

EXACTLY.

They report DISCUSSIONS, REAL DISCUSSIONS that have been had.

They don't just MAKE IT UP.

They don't understand the difference.
annoyance_101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I am not a troll, I am not a t
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 25 @ 4:46 PM ET
What does that have to do with anything?

Chiarelli stated that he thought he had acquired Iginla. Up until Iginla refused to go to Boston, it was a fact.

- PatC80


It wasn't FACT because the trade never actually took place through the NHL...it was reported falsely, it was speculation on Chiarellis part to think the trade was official when it wasn't. Then it snowballed from there...
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 4:47 PM ET
What does that have to do with anything?

Chiarelli stated that he thought he had acquired Iginla. Up until Iginla refused to go to Boston, it was a fact.

- PatC80


And in the end, he's in Boston anyway.

Just took a little longer than expected.
nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 12.05.2008

Jul 25 @ 4:48 PM ET
All I'm saying is that if it comes from TSN/Sportsnet, its probably not baseless... ther e is a little truth to it.

You people are living in denial

For example:
"Gillis didn't say he would try to trade Luongo" - annoyance
"Vancouver didn't ask for Gardiner & Kadri" - everyone

This despite the fact that you were all saying, and truly believed in your dear hearts, that Luongo was worth Gardiner, Kadri AND More, and so willingly believed that this was going to happen

And now that the tables have turned you are all in denial.

- twiztedmike



Everything makes sense now. This is your "I told you so" moment.

Does it feel as good as you hoped it would?
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 25 @ 4:48 PM ET
All I'm saying is that if it comes from TSN/Sportsnet, its probably not baseless... ther e is a little truth to it.

You people are living in denial

For example:
"Gillis didn't say he would try to trade Luongo" - annoyance
"Vancouver didn't ask for Gardiner & Kadri" - everyone

This despite the fact that you were all saying, and truly believed in your dear hearts, that Luongo was worth Gardiner, Kadri AND More, and so willingly believed that this was going to happen

And now that the tables have turned you are all in denial.

- twiztedmike


now it's Luongo is better than Schneider and Gillis did the right thing trading an unproven Schneider?
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jul 25 @ 4:48 PM ET
It wasn't FACT because the trade never actually took place through the NHL...it was reported falsely, it was speculation on Chiarellis part to think the trade was official when it wasn't. Then it snowballed from there...
- annoyance_101

The fact was that there was a deal in place with Boston and a deal in place with Pittsburgh.......

Just because the outcome was that Iginla ended up in Pittsburgh, it does NOT mean that there was never a trade in place for him to go to Boston

Do you people get it now?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 25 @ 4:48 PM ET
All I'm saying is that if it comes from TSN/Sportsnet, its probably not baseless... ther e is a little truth to it.

You people are living in denial

For example:
"Gillis didn't say he would try to trade Luongo" - annoyance
"Vancouver didn't ask for Gardiner & Kadri" - everyone

This despite the fact that you were all saying, and truly believed in your dear hearts, that Luongo was worth Gardiner, Kadri AND More, and so willingly believed that this was going to happen

And now that the tables have turned you are all in denial.

- twiztedmike

If we're living in denial why are you wasting your time?
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