wut?
- Pecafan Fan

Nonis = Dreger

Out of Ranger, Brennan or Holzer. who is the best 7th Dman?
- senstroll

IMO...Brennan.

Well it's gotta be less than they give Fraser. That would be hard to justify.
- The Law

Agreed.

Well it's gotta be less than they give Fraser. That would be hard to justify.
- The Law

To be honest, I'm pretty sure that even if Ranger didn't play in the NHL for a long time, he's twice the player that Fraser is.

IMO...Brennan.
- djamon

If I never see Holzer play a game for the NHL club again, I would be a happy man. Guy ends every shift on his @** on the ice

so let's say 1 million.

Then Kadri at 3, franson at 2.5
- Pecafan Fan

Yup ...altho I have Kadri and Franson flipped. I don't see how Kadri gets more on a short deal than Subban. Franson will be a tough sign.

so let's say 1 million.

Then Kadri at 3, franson at 2.5
- Pecafan Fan

Id like them to bring Fraser back too though...so what then? Brennan over Fraser?

Which is why I wonder why they would bother. Nonis has other things on his plate right now, he shouldn't be bothering trying to resuscitate Ranger's career.
- djamon

this is silly.
just cause he has 'things on his plate', he shouldn't worry about securing depth on defense?

You're kidding, right?
- Pecafan Fan

I guess the laugh gave it away?

wut?
- Pecafan Fan

yeah nevermind im wrong

To be honest, I'm pretty sure that even if Ranger didn't play in the NHL for a long time, he's twice the player that Fraser is.
- Pecafan Fan

Fingers crossed. At worst it's competition in camp and the loser gets to make his 900k in the AHL.

He didn't specifically say any player was available by name. He just said he'd listen to offers for anyone, and Phaneufs name had been brought up on occasion. Not to say that it was anything concrete
- jerseyleaf

well, im wrong then arent I

I never said anything about wanting it to happen, just that it could.

The reason I brought it up is because Nonis specifically said that Phaneuf is available for trade.

Phaneufs salary is quite unmanageable and unlikely to come down.
- twiztedmike

He did NOT say that. He said anyone is available if it improves the team.

Which is why I wonder why they would bother. Nonis has other things on his plate right now, he shouldn't be bothering trying to resuscitate Ranger's career.
- djamon

Maybe you have no clue about what Nonis has on his plate.

Teams today need cheap serviceable NHL players, it might be a risk, but a small one to add a former NHL player who seemed fine in the AHL. I am sure they were able to gauge where he was at. If they cant sign Franson or Fraser for what they want, they need to fill the roster spots.

Fingers crossed. At worst it's competition in camp and the loser gets to make his 900k in the AHL.
- The Law

Or maybe they simply chose Ranger over Fraser.

To be honest, I'm pretty sure that even if Ranger didn't play in the NHL for a long time, he's twice the player that Fraser is.
- Pecafan Fan

Maybe...but Fraser played with some serious heart. Its been awhile since Ive watched Ranger, but does he play with a physical edge as well?

well, im wrong then arent I
- twiztedmike

haha. eh, it happens. All the GM's try to play head games with everyone anyway to mirage what they're really up to.

If I never see Holzer play a game for the NHL club again, I would be a happy man. Guy ends every shift on his @** on the ice
- jerseyleaf

Agree 100%.

Maybe...but Fraser played with some serious heart. Its been awhile since Ive watched Ranger, but does he play with a physical edge as well?
- Colin Dambrauskas

Played with a big head to.

Or maybe they simply chose Ranger over Fraser.
- Pecafan Fan

this.

Guys who finish 11th in Norris voting are never over-rated.
- djamon

don't follow that logic.

Or maybe they simply chose Ranger over Fraser.
- Pecafan Fan

Fraser still has arbitration and the Leafs can't walk away from it with what he will get.

this is silly.
just cause he has 'things on his plate', he shouldn't worry about securing depth on defense?
- Barx

Paul Ranger is not NHL depth...he's a Marlie. Money is very tight at the moment, and we have valuable players who need contracts. The idea that we "outbid" other teams for a guy who does not makes us better is a waste of time and assets, IMO.

Id like them to bring Fraser back too though...so what then? Brennan over Fraser?
- Colin Dambrauskas

Don't overthink it Colin. The Leafs can bury the first 900k in the minors without any Cap concern. In theory they could sign 9 guys at 900k to battle for spots 5-7 on the D. The 6 losers get sent thru waivers and at worst end up suiting up for the Marlies. No Cap consequences at all.

IMO...Brennan.
- djamon

So you have Brennan 40 NHL games, Holzer 24 and Ranger 270

Who the F knows which will be the better option for a 6/7th dman.
its a low risk/decent reward scenario