"Jagr has nearly 1700P and has been one of the best players to ever play, Jagr>Stamkos"

I'd argue that Stamkos and Malkin are better. Not because I'm a homer, because it is the truth.

You've turned from an argument to being ignorant. But you're a BUF fan. So it's understandable.
- TheNugeIsHuge

because it is the truth? no it's ur opinion...

I'd argue that Stamkos and Malkin are better. Not because I'm a homer, because it is the truth.

You've turned from an argument to being ignorant. But you're a BUF fan. So it's understandable.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Id argue the top 5 players are
Malkin
Crosby
Stamkos
Ovi
Tavares

same output over the last two season.. but who has played more playoff games?
- derm10

so because he's on a better team he's a better player? alright

Matt Moulson and Matt Duchene's production was the same. Moulson played 6 playoff games. Moulson>Duchene

"Jagr has nearly 1700P and has been one of the best players to ever play, Jagr>Stamkos"
- TheNugeIsHuge

This is where you sound dumb. You act like Ovechkin is on the decline or aging. He's 27 in his prime coming off an MVP season. Just stop you are reeling now

still to much to give up.
1 of gardnier or rielley + kadri + 4th round pick or a 2nd tier propect.
- zazzle

No where near enough...that's a joke of an offer.

I'd argue that Stamkos and Malkin are better. Not because I'm a homer, because it is the truth.

You've turned from an argument to being ignorant. But you're a BUF fan. So it's understandable.
- TheNugeIsHuge

it seems like you just hate on ovi?
Malkin is a beast and as good as ovi
Stamkos is good but behind Malkin Ovi and Sid
Hall is a great player but i think he is a step below those four

let me try to end this. Ovi>Hall.
but.
Ovi was just 3rd in league scoring. Hall was 9th missing 3 games and was 21. The difference is far from being large.

Id argue the top 5 players are
Malkin
Crosby
Stamkos
Ovi
Tavares
- sbroads24

4 out of 5 ain't bad...I don't think Tavares is top 5.

This is where you sound dumb. You act like Ovechkin is on the decline or aging. He's 27 in his prime coming off an MVP season. Just stop you are reeling now
- sbroads24

obviously exaggerating to again try to prove to you that a value in a player doesn't lie in what he did 5 years ago. that's stupid and you should know it

obviously exaggerating to again try to prove to you that a value in a player doesn't lie in what he did 5 years ago. that's stupid and you should know it
- TheNugeIsHuge

Yea except it does because he currently is league MVP. So does he need to score 65 in 48 games for him to have the same value?

it seems like you just hate on ovi?
Malkin is a beast and as good as ovi
Stamkos is good but behind Malkin Ovi and Sid
Hall is a great player but i think he is a step below those four
- 6Karlsson5

yes. I just hate Ovi. WSH and EDM being division rivals and all.

Stamkos was 2nd in league scoring the past 2 years. I think he's the most valuable player in the league. No injury history. Consistently puts up 90+P. Younger and cheaper than Crosby+Malkin+Ovi

Yea except it does because he currently is league MVP. So does he need to score 65 in 48 games for him to have the same value?
- sbroads24

if he has a 100P season next year. Then yes, I'll give him credit where it's due. 121P in his last 126GP is not top 3 in the league

Stamkos is a top 3 player to me regardless if his player misses the playoffs for the 3rd straight year. A single player cannot carry his team to the playoffs

let me try to end this. Ovi>Hall.
but.
Ovi was just 3rd in league scoring. Hall was 9th missing 3 games and was 21. The difference is far from being large.
- TheNugeIsHuge

halls pace in his third season was on pace to score roughly 29 goals and roughly 62 assists so 91 points which is great, but when ovi was in his third year he had 65 goals and 112 points and this year he lead the NHL in goals and was MVP

Stamkos is a top 3 player to me regardless if his player misses the playoffs for the 3rd straight year. A single player cannot carry his team to the playoffs
- TheNugeIsHuge

I agree. However look how WSH and Ovechkin started and how WSH and Ovechkin finished. He carried them how any great player carries a team

halls pace in his third season was on pace to score roughly 29 goals and roughly 62 assists so 91 points which is great, but when ovi was in his third year he had 65 goals and 112 points and this year he lead the NHL in goals and was MVP
- 6Karlsson5

is Ovey still in his third year?

is Ovey still in his third year?
- TheNugeIsHuge

no but still right now he is better and whats to say hall is just going to keep getting better? he could easliy struggle as ovi did for a while

no but still right now he is better and whats to say hall is just going to keep getting better? he could easliy struggle as ovi did for a while
- 6Karlsson5

Let's see if Hall ever plays a full season as well

Let's see if Hall ever plays a full season as well
- sbroads24

bingo and ovi is more physical while begin more durable

I agree. However look how WSH and Ovechkin started and how WSH and Ovechkin finished. He carried them how any great player carries a team
- sbroads24

no. building a team around him. Having John Carlson, karl alzner, mike green on D, Holtby n Neuvirth in net, Backstrom Ribeiro etc. on the team is what got WSH in to the playoffs.

having smid-petry as a top pairing. having eager, belanger, petrell in the bottom 6. having a top 6 with an average age of 20.5. hall can't carry that. no one can

Let's see if Hall ever plays a full season as well
- sbroads24

same can be said about crosby. still the best player in the world

no but still right now he is better and whats to say hall is just going to keep getting better? he could easliy struggle as ovi did for a while
- 6Karlsson5

what's to say Ovi doesn't have another 65P season?

same can be said about crosby. still the best player in the world
- TheNugeIsHuge

cmon man crosby has dominated for years hall had one good year and ovi still has 7 years that are better and one that is roughly the same

bingo and ovi is more physical while begin more durable
- 6Karlsson5

I love Hall. And I'm not a huge Ovi fan. So im not biased. It's just easier to see not being an EDM fan I guess. Were talking about a guy that has done..

2006 Calder
5x All star
3x Hart Winner
3x Lester B pearson winner
3x Rocket Richard winner
1x Art Ross winner