I love this "Ovechkin has no heart". Anyone actually watch him play? He is a freight train that will pummel people when he needs to.
- sbroads24

You're nuts...

You're nuts...
- Flyfreaky

Am I? He hits a lot more than the average goal scorer. Especially in the post season

When Ovechkin was Taylor Hall's age he scored 65 goals and had 112pts. Seriously, If Hall does half of what Ovi has done I will be pleasantly suprised. And Hall is one of my favorites in the league

He had 3 more points last year. I would too if I played on the first line with Kopitar and Brown. Age, physical game, and health all factored in I take Eller
- Ihatebrianburke

3 more points "this" year. Williams was also playing the tough competition Kopitar has to. Eller was playing the soft minutes Galchenyuk was

When Ovechkin was Taylor Hall's age he scored 65 goals and had 112pts. Seriously, If Hall does half of what Ovi has done I will be pleasantly suprised. And Hall is one of my favorites in the league
- sbroads24

what about the last 2 years?

I wouldn't even hesitate on that one...in no way is that an overpayment...Weber is worth all that plus a 1st round pick.
- quinnjj

do not question what quinnjj says. He thinks EDM's jeff schultz is bad defensively

Indeed... I actually had January when I first wrote it.

What's going on with the Saddledome anyways? Will it be ready?
- BigDre

I actually haven't heard much......I can't imagine a scenario where it wouldn't be ready, way too much money at stake. My guess is maybe they play a few pre-season games out of the old Corral if need be. That would be AWESOME! haha

Ovi's PPG last 2 years: .96
Hall's PPG last 2 years: .97

Try to tell me that, at this moment, Ovechkin is miles ahead of Hall

If I'm TO I take that trade.

similar scenario. Eberle+Klefbom+Nurse for Weber. Do you do it?

Also I wouldn't put Keith in that company. Top 15, ya. Not top 5.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Not a (frank)ing chance. Weber is not worth that much.

what about the last 2 years?
- TheNugeIsHuge

ya he trailed offf... poor coaching and managment.. the team is built to fail. but as much as i love hall, and i do, hell never touch those kind of number imo.

if the oil dont watch out they could follow the same path as the caps...

Am I? He hits a lot more than the average goal scorer. Especially in the post season
- sbroads24

Question for ya Sabers Fan, why get rid of Gerbe.....

When your team sucks? I don't get it!

Cap space for Timmy Connolly is what I'm guessing

Ovi's PPG last 2 years: .96
Hall's PPG last 2 years: .97

Try to tell me that, at this moment, Ovechkin is miles ahead of Hall
- TheNugeIsHuge

Enough with the ppg stats man. He doubled him in goals this year in a short season. Your talking about a very good player in Hall, but one of the best goal scorers ever in Ovi. Agree to disagree

ya he trailed offf... poor coaching and managment.. the team is built to fail. but as much as i love hall, and i do, hell never touch those kind of number imo.

if the oil dont watch out they could follow the same path as the caps...
- munky123

I disagree. Washington is built around 1 guy, Ovie. the entire offence goes through him. With the oilers, its more spread out. I feel the Oilers should have more success then the caps in the coming years because this team doesn't need to rely on one player.

Ovi's PPG last 2 years: .96
Hall's PPG last 2 years: .97

Try to tell me that, at this moment, Ovechkin is miles ahead of Hall
- TheNugeIsHuge

he is... he has how many hart trophies and rocket richard trophies? guys like that kind have up and down seasons... look at gretzky... no way am i comparing gretz to ovi... that said ovi as much as im not his biggest fan has a ton of talent and he alone willed the caps into the playoffs this year. also like the previous poster said 65 goals and 112 points.. hall wont ever score 50+.... i would love to see him doit, just dont think hes that special type of player.

I disagree. Washington is built around 1 guy, Ovie. the entire offence goes through him. With the oilers, its more spread out. I feel the Oilers should have more success then the caps in the coming years because this team doesn't need to rely on one player.
- Oilfan19

i can agree with that statement, but what the oil need so much and the caps as well is insulation and solid vet rpessence. the one thing i will disagree with is that the caps arent just one player team, they lack a solid vet core ( at their prime) and imo better coachs.

i can agree with that statement, but what the oil need so much and the caps as well is insulation and solid vet rpessence. the one thing i will disagree with is that the caps arent just one player team, they lack a solid vet core ( at their prime) and imo better coachs.
- munky123

Hunter was an awesome coach for the caps. He put Ovie in his place and made him defensively accountable and if he wasnt there was consequences

he is... he has how many hart trophies and rocket richard trophies? guys like that kind have up and down seasons... look at gretzky... no way am i comparing gretz to ovi... that said ovi as much as im not his biggest fan has a ton of talent and he alone willed the caps into the playoffs this year. also like the previous poster said 65 goals and 112 points.. hall wont ever score 50+.... i would love to see him doit, just dont think hes that special type of player.
- munky123

Ovechkin is one of the faces of this league. 4x 50 goal scorer, 1 of 2 players in how many years to score 60 in one season, MVP, Hart trophies, playoff experience. Hall can't be compared.

Enough with the ppg stats man. He doubled him in goals this year in a short season. Your talking about a very good player in Hall, but one of the best goal scorers ever in Ovi. Agree to disagree
- sbroads24

PPG is important when measuring two players who's value comes mostly from their offence. Ovi's a better goal scorer, but he's not "ways" ahead of Hall. In fact I'd say the difference is small, shown by the PPG.

can't build him up by his 21YO season. How good has he been recently? Damn near as good as Hall has been

Hunter was an awesome coach for the caps. He put Ovie in his place and made him defensively accountable and if he wasnt there was consequences
- Oilfan19

hunter IS an excellent coach... ovi isnt a defensive guy... when you try and change that type of player his game diminishes...

coachs and gms need to taylor a team that can accommodate that type of player... if ovi is scoring 100+ points a year, and therses a bit of secondary scoring, perfect, but bring in some shut down d that can pick up a bit of the slack... not a team alll offence.. i think its a joke to try and get him to play d...

I wish there were more proposals like the OV one. Here's one for EDM/Pit.

Malkin + Fleury for RNH + Eberle + 2015 1st + Hemsky

Too many big names for me to judge how even, I just think that:for PIT:

1. Hemsky playing with crosby would be scary
2. RNH as the new #2 keeps the penguins younger, but still set for some time
3. Eberle knows how to play with with RNH already, so Pens top 2 lines are still set

for EDM:

1. Have an even better #1 C who is still locked up for forever.
2. 2 scary lines still, even after losing 2 stars
3. Hopefully Fleury can find his game again, or at least mentor Dubnyk

PPG is important when measuring two players who's value comes mostly from their offence. Ovi's a better goal scorer, but he's not "ways" ahead of Hall. In fact I'd say the difference is small, shown by the PPG.

can't build him up by his 21YO season. How good has he been recently? Damn near as good as Hall has been
- TheNugeIsHuge

MVP good? Was Hall nominated?

he is... he has how many hart trophies and rocket richard trophies? guys like that kind have up and down seasons... look at gretzky... no way am i comparing gretz to ovi... that said ovi as much as im not his biggest fan has a ton of talent and he alone willed the caps into the playoffs this year. also like the previous poster said 65 goals and 112 points.. hall wont ever score 50+.... i would love to see him doit, just dont think hes that special type of player.
- munky123

did he win a rocket richard trophy in the last 4 years? no

65 goals in 2008. I'd like to see it happen again. Hemsky had 71P in 2008, doesn't mean he's gonna put up 71P this year

MVP good? Was Hall nominated?
- sbroads24

6 more points in 3 more games. Earth shattering difference

not to mention Hall played the toughest competition in EDM while Ovi was playing 3rd line comp

PPG is important when measuring two players who's value comes mostly from their offence. Ovi's a better goal scorer, but he's not "ways" ahead of Hall. In fact I'd say the difference is small, shown by the PPG.

can't build him up by his 21YO season. How good has he been recently? Damn near as good as Hall has been
- TheNugeIsHuge

^What he is trying to say (I think) is that Hall will probably put up better point totals. These are 2 different types of players, Ovie is an elite sniper, Hall is more of an all around offensive player. In my humble opinion I take Hall over Ovie because I feel Hall will be a more consistent player and doesnt have that KHL thing weighing in. Canadians grow up wanting the cup and I feel he has more cup drive then Ovie. I think Ovie cares more about personal milestones. Just my 2 cents