Leafs will trade Liles for a pick. Which will allow us to not only sign Kadri(2yr/6.5m), Franson(4yr/16m), and Fraser(2yr/2.6m) but also will allow us to aquire Kyle Clifford from LA for a pick and sign him to a 2yr/2.8m dollar deal.

- dwoo33

4 years is too long for Franson. 3 years 12m.

Still wouldn't be surprised if Dion got moved. It's just kinda hard to think of which teams would have an interest. Surely EDM makes sense, but the price for Dion shouldn't be that high, considering we didn't give much to get him.

Also, any deal involving Dion should have a conditional 1st rounder if he resigns with another team.

So something like

Dion
conditional 2nd(if Hemsky resigns)
_______

Smid
Hemsky
Conditional 1st

I think this deal's fair because there's good reason to believe Dion would stay in his hometown

Cap hit comparables to Carl Gunnarsson

Barret Jackman/Bryce Salvador - 3.167

Chris Phillips - 3.083

John Ericsson/Jan Hejda/Andrew Ference/Dennis Seidenberg - 3.25

Stephane Robidas/Trevor Daley - 3.3

Robyn Regehr/Andy Greene/Marc Methot - 3.0


That's the going rate for d-men that are 3-5 on the depth chart, with the ability to play to step up to a top pairing in certain situations (gunnarsson-phaneuf, Seidenberg-Chara)

When we had Beauchemin, Gunnarsson was on the 3rd pairing with Komisarek. When we traded Beauch, Gunnar moved up to play with Phaneuf and has basically locked it down ever since.

On a 3 year deal, it's a fair deal. Especially in a market that has a tax bracket as heavy as ours. If he's an RFA in Dallas, Nashville, Tampa or Florda, he makes the same amount after taxes if he signs for a 2.5-2.7 cap hit.

I think people here over rate him, he is okay as a 4th.
- LeafMan

People are completely overrating him.

You know what I said is true.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Geeez you rather Fraser over Gunnarsson, really? Fraser he six or 7 at best Gunnar is a 3/4 .

Take him on a boat trip?
- AdamFrench

Unmanned Drones.

Nope, a number 2 dman should be physical, Gunnar is not, like I said, my opinion.
- LeafMan

the #1 is pretty physical

I don't think we'll trade phaneuf. He'll get extended at his same cap hit of 6.5. We need him and have no replacement.

Geeez you rather Fraser over Gunnarsson, really? Fraser he six or 7 at best Gunnar is a 3/4 .
- Yeti1181

Can't get over how high everyone is on Fraser.

Don't get me wrong, he was good. but that was on a 3rd pairing, with a guy like Franson who had a very solid year.

Gunnarsson's been one of our steadier defenceman over the past 3 seasons.

If it wasn't for an injured hip last year he'd have been even better

Geeez you rather Fraser over Gunnarsson, really? Fraser he six or 7 at best Gunnar is a 3/4 .
- Yeti1181

I think Fraser is the one being over-rated. Play Fraser on the top pairing with Phaneuf, 22 minutes a game against Crosby and see how he does.

He got exposed heavily in the playoffs and probably was next in line to be sat before he went out with an honourable discharge after that bullet to the forehead.

I don't think we'll trade phaneuf. He'll get extended at his same cap hit of 6.5. We need him and have no replacement.
- dwoo33

I highly doubt Dion stays for less than 7.

He sure as hell isn't taking a paycut.

He wouldn't like being a captain and not being the highest paid

Liles will be the one to go, unfortunately as I'd rather have had him over Gunnarsson. With the top 2 pairing being Phaneuf and potentially Gunnar, the 2nd pairing being Franson and Gardiner, and the 3rd pairing being Fraser and Brennan....I don't see the Leafs keeping Liles on board to play on the 3rd pairing for 3 mil+.

Things are getting tight.

Gunnarsson's deal is a measuring stick for Franson. He'll get around 4m. 3yr/12m is ok with me.

But at some point Franson's gonna get frustrated with the Leafs. He's been love hate since he got here.

If I'm Nonis, Liles has got to go. Nothing against Liles, but I think the goaltending is going to be good enough that we can start moving young guys up, such as Grannberg and Blacker.

As for Kadri, we'll see. One year at 2.5 should be ok IMO. We get 2m off Armstrong and Tucker after next year(Can't believe Tucker's on the payroll) along with 500k from the Frattin/Scrivens trade, so that can be allocated to Nazem if he comes through.
- AngryWhiteMale

not sure you're going to find a taker for Liles. he's 33 with with 3 years left on that deal. IMO he should have been the compliance buyout over Komisarek in Toronto. it looks like the only squeeze though is going to be the squeeze Toronto's putting on Kadri. once they lock up Franson and Fraser, there will only be so much left (say around $3 million). so he can either take that short term or long term.

Geeez you rather Fraser over Gunnarsson, really? Fraser he six or 7 at best Gunnar is a 3/4 .
- Yeti1181

I would rather have Hainsey and Fraser is what I'm saying.

Gunnersons rights could have been traded.

Hainsey would play much better next to Phaneuf.

Why is Nonis busy signing Frogren 2.0

Kadri needs the Money First, then Franson, then Fraser then Garbageson!
- Byfuglien Ate Me

special

Move Liles, and give Frazer 1 year at 1m.

Dion Gunnarsson
Franson Gardiner
Frazer Grannberg
Blacker


Then let Percy gobble up ice time in the AHL,setting himself up for a roster spot in 2 years

Take him on a boat trip?
- AdamFrench

Bill Barilko 2.0




Bonus: when he's found we win the cup!

Bill Barilko 2.0




Bonus: when he's found we win the cup!
- corunnakid

classic

special
- Big_Lightnin

What's the special?

I'm starving

not sure you're going to find a taker for Liles. he's 33 with with 3 years left on that deal. IMO he should have been the compliance buyout over Komisarek in Toronto. it looks like the only squeeze though is going to be the squeeze Toronto's putting on Kadri. once they lock up Franson and Fraser, there will only be so much left (say around $3 million). so he can either take that short term or long term.
- Gary_B.

red the blog.

and Liles is 32

4 years is too long for Franson. 3 years 12m.

Still wouldn't be surprised if Dion got moved. It's just kinda hard to think of which teams would have an interest. Surely EDM makes sense, but the price for Dion shouldn't be that high, considering we didn't give much to get him.

Also, any deal involving Dion should have a conditional 1st rounder if he resigns with another team.

So something like

Dion

conditional 2nd(if Hemsky resigns)
_______

Smid
Hemsky
Conditional 1st

I think this deal's fair because there's good reason to believe Dion would stay in his hometown
- AngryWhiteMale

We don't need another top six forward, pa-neuf is traded, a dman will have to come back

I highly doubt Dion stays for less than 7.

He sure as hell isn't taking a paycut.

He wouldn't like being a captain and not being the highest paid
- AngryWhiteMale

then he's a psycho. Sidney Crosby is captain in Pittsburgh and he's not the highest paid.

Move Liles, and give FraSer 1 year at 1m.

Dion Gunnarsson
Franson Gardiner
FraSer Grannberg
Blacker


Then let Percy gobble up ice time in the AHL,setting himself up for a roster spot in 2 years
- AngryWhiteMale

What's the special?

I'm starving
- Byfuglien Ate Me

your analysis of hockey appears to be on discount in this blog

I think Fraser is the one being over-rated. Play Fraser on the top pairing with Phaneuf, 22 minutes a game against Crosby and see how he does.

He got exposed heavily in the playoffs and probably was next in line to be sat before he went out with an honourable discharge after that bullet to the forehead.
- t_leafs21

That's why he took the puck to the head he's think poop leaf fans are going to turn and I'm over my head poop sit poop poop oh slap shot coming peeerrrfffect

then he's a psycho. Sidney Crosby is captain in Pittsburgh and he's not the highest paid.
- Gary_B.

3 yrs longer deal... ya he is.