And he didn't lead the Leafs into the playoffs, all the years that he was here. Who was better in this year's playoffs? Grabo or Bozak? Even injured, Bozak was more of an asset then Grabo. With a bad shoulder, he still played better and was missed, in the final game of that series. A healthy Bozak and we win that series. With a healthy Grabo, we didn't win the series.
- PrinceLH

Grabo was far from healthy...

Again man.. I just gave you the (frank)ing link a few posts up!
- joel878

ur source is a blogger ahhahahahahah.... get ur stats from a reputable source at least... nhl.com maybe for starters.

so then why isn;t he signed yet?
- derm10

Lots of people aren't signed yet. Kadri and Franson to name 2.

pretty feeble argument. He's getting paid. He's waiting for the right fit and the right price. And he'll probably sign for more than Bozak did, plus what he's making from Leafs

ur source is a blogger ahhahahahahah.... get ur stats from a reputable source at least... nhl.com maybe for starters.
- derm10

I don't know......Kessels seems to be able to score with him, on his line. Without Kessel, this team is about as good as the Flyers. For the sake of keeping Kessel motivated, it's important to keep him happy and productive. If Grabovski was the better option, then he would still be on this team. We can all love a player, but sometimes you have to put aside personal preferences and decide, "do you want to advance in the playoffs?" If you do, you have to get over the personal attachment to a certain players and accept a player that may be an as$hole, if he makes the team win. See Dion Phaneuf..........
- PrinceLH

My point was more that they are claiming at the same time that Grabovski is better at every facet of the game and yet Bozak fits RC's system better.

How can you be better then another player at every facet of the game and be worst in any system then the inferior player?

No one answered that question which was asked 3 or 4 times.

See, we don't disagree on everything
- Big_Lightnin

Yeah.. Fair enough.

There are more to stats than Corsi numbers.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the la kings, Chicago, or Boston would have spit all over every single stat Tyler bozak brought to the table, in every capacity.
- joel878

I believe that Bozak scored the big goal, in game 5, to get the Leafs back into the series, midway into the 3rd period, giving the Leafs a chance to get back into the series. All while injured and I believe that it was shorthanded. Sounds like grit and determination to me? Meanwhile, Grabo was playing perimeter hockey, getting knocked down and off of the puck all series.......zero points, worst minus........who do you want on your team?

Lots of people aren't signed yet. Kadri and Franson to name 2.

pretty feeble argument. He's getting paid. He's waiting for the right fit and the right price. And he'll probably sign for more than Bozak did, plus what he's making from Leafs
- Big_Lightnin

kadri and franson are rfa.. grabo is a ufa..... not even comparable.

My point was more that they are claiming at the same time that Grabovski is better at every facet of the game and yet Bozak fits RC's system better.

How can you be better then another player at every facet of the game and be worst in any system then the inferior player?

No one answered that question which was asked 3 or 4 times.
- Cooshie

Exactly! It's all about who gives you the best chance to win and Bozak is the easy answer.

ur source is a blogger ahhahahahahah.... get ur stats from a reputable source at least... nhl.com maybe for starters.
- derm10

the guy is a pimple face teenager.

Lots of people aren't signed yet. Kadri and Franson to name 2.

pretty feeble argument. He's getting paid. He's waiting for the right fit and the right price. And he'll probably sign for more than Bozak did, plus what he's making from Leafs
- Big_Lightnin

Honesly, you really going to use this?

If you want to start talking offer sheets and such, ok...but Grabs is a UFA to all teams...apples and oranges.

Honesly, you really going to use this?

If you want to start talking offer sheets and such, ok...but Grabs is a UFA to all teams...apples and oranges.
- Cooshie

I'm sure that he was offered to every team in the league for a 7th round draft pick and no-one bit on it. Do you think MLS&E wanted to write that cheque? No other team wanted him on their team and no team even wanted to take a chance on him, at the cap hit. I'd even bet that the Leafs would have taken back salary on this one, as well.

You (frank)ing donkey. Stats are stats whether they're on a bloggers site or on NHL.com

A blogger using the stats to doesnt change the stats.

Jeeeeesus.
- joel878

i can go write a blog and make up any stats i want.... does he show sources for his stats?

kadri and franson are rfa.. grabo is a ufa..... not even comparable.
- derm10

alright. Jaromir Jagr, one of the best players ever, just signed today. and he's not already getting a paycheck.
Ron Hainsey still without a contract - one of the best Dman who was available. He's waiting for the right situation

Grabo has no rush to sign. He's got all summer.

they just bought out a better Center than Bozak... but that couldn't possibly matter.
- Big_Lightnin

They only signed bozak so they can keep kessel. Simple. I for one dont like it much, but realistically he is only overpaid by what? 700,000K? Isn't the cap going up next year again? 0.7 more will look like peanuts and everyone will calm their nerves once we get a proper #1 centerman. I don't support the signing but if its to keep kessel here, then i guess we had to do it. Bozak will eventually be on the 3rd line where he belongs in due time. Despite us letting go of grabo, who was the better player than bozak, was arguably a good idea because we got a soldier in clarkson, resigned kessels lover, have some money left over to pay the rest of our rfas "hopefully".

Nonis took two contracts, the highest contracts that we did not need on the team, and got rid of them. Liles will be either traded eventually, maybe they play him more for him to retain some value, or he will eventually be bought out.

I believe that Bozak scored the big goal, in game 5, to get the Leafs back into the series, midway into the 3rd period, giving the Leafs a chance to get back into the series. All while injured and I believe that it was shorthanded. Sounds like grit and determination to me? Meanwhile, Grabo was playing perimeter hockey, getting knocked down and off of the puck all series.......zero points, worst minus........who do you want on your team?
- PrinceLH

Grabovski.

I respect your stance, but I'll take 4 years of production over selective pro's from one game. I can fill this page with individual bozak (frank) ups this season, why not start with getting merk'd on every freaking faceoff in the playoffs?

Honestly? I'd prefer a massive upgrade on both. If I had to choose between the to, I'd take grabovski all day. Bozak would be a poopty top 6 center in Florida.

You've got to be kidding me.

I was responding to the idea that bozak was a focal part of this seasons pk turnaround.

You've got a low (frank)ing IQ in general.
- joel878

Wow....you really are dimwitted.
I was pointing to the fact that Bozak played the power play while Grabs was sitting and you pointed to past terrible PK teams. I then said Bozak played in a terrible system (Wilson) vs. a much better system.

Talking to you is like talking to my 4yr old daughter. I think I need to dumb things down for you to really understand.

alright. Jaromir Jagr, one of the best players ever, just signed today. and he's not already getting a paycheck.
Ron Hainsey still without a contract - one of the best Dman who was available. He's waiting for the right situation

Grabo has no rush to sign. He's got all summer.
- Big_Lightnin

not even worth a response.

Wow....you really are dimwitted.
I was pointing to the fact that Bozak played the power play while Grabs was sitting and you pointed to past terrible PK teams. I then said Bozak played in a terrible system (Wilson) vs. a much better system.

Talking to you is like talking to my 4yr old daughter. I think I need to dumb things down for you to really understand.
- Cooshie

we need to talk slow.... maybe only one sentence at a time.

i can go write a blog and make up any stats i want.... does he show sources for his stats?
- derm10

Yes, the last 4 NHL seasons. Are you seriously going to make me look up more links to these? For starters, they've been in these forums about 10 times in the last month.

It's called reality. Read them, understand them.. And don't be such a child about it.

You (frank)ing donkey. Stats are stats whether they're on a bloggers site or on NHL.com

A blogger using the stats to doesnt change the stats.

Jeeeeesus.
- joel878

I think what he is saying is that this is the internet and he questions stats you find from unreputable sources.
Your hostility is making you irrational and your posts are losing all merit.

Grabovski.

I respect your stance, but I'll take 4 years of production over selective pro's from one game. I can fill this page with individual bozak (frank) ups this season, why not start with getting merk'd on every freaking faceoff in the playoffs?

Honestly? I'd prefer a massive upgrade on both. If I had to choose between the to, I'd take grabovski all day. Bozak would be a poopty top 6 center in Florida.
- joel878

Actually you are half wrong and half right on that one. Did you notice that every (frank)ing faceoff in the boston zone, he lost? And every faceoff in our zone, he won? I was losing my mind when watching this, was so frustrating im like how the (frank) can he win a faceoff in our zone and NOT win a faceoff in their zone. Geezus

Exactly! It's all about who gives you the best chance to win and Bozak is the easy answer.
- PrinceLH

well, no, it isn't.

see, because the whole conversation started by saying who was the better player.

Grabo is better than Bozak. Every stat you can find proves this. Watch them skate, watch them shoot, watch them pass. Everything. The only thing Bozak is better at is faceoffs, and it's not that big of a margin there either.

You said Bozak is better in his own end? Pretty weird that Grabo got more defensive starts and was constantly matched up against the other teams top lines then, wouldn't you say?

There are a miriad of reasons why they kept Bozak over Grabovski, but none of those changes the fact that Grabovski is a better than Bozak. And until Bozak puts up numbers anywhere close to Grabo's career AVERAGE, never mind his career best, the whole argument is ridiculous.

It isn't even close.

I'm sure that he was offered to every team in the league for a 7th round draft pick and no-one bit on it. Do you think MLS&E wanted to write that cheque? No other team wanted him on their team and no team even wanted to take a chance on him, at the cap hit. I'd even bet that the Leafs would have taken back salary on this one, as well.
- PrinceLH

Of course....i wouldn't be surprised if they offered a draft pick as well or something.
Grabovski is not a hot commodity right now - obviously.

By the way, had the Leafs not signed Bozak, you think he would still be a UFA today?

Of course....i wouldn't be surprised if they offered a draft pick as well or something.
Grabovski is not a hot commodity right now - obviously.

By the way, had the Leafs not signed Bozak, you think he would still be a UFA today?
- Cooshie

If the leafs did not sign bozak, kessel would of been traded right off the bat, arguably to the team who signed bozie