Could be but hey, look at the Leafs over the last few years.
Interestingly, under Wilson, Grabs prospered and the leafs never made the playoffs.
RC takes over, makes some changes (Grabs included) and the Leafs make the playoffs. I think RC realized that although Grabs produced points he also hurt the Leafs as a whole team.
Check out the last 3 years
Grabs 27yrs - 58pts, +14, 19.22TOI
Grabs 28yrs - 51pts, 0, 17.36TOI
Grabs 29yrs - 16pts, - 10, 15.34TOI

Bozak 25yrs - 32pts, -29, 18.46TOI
Bozak 26yrs - 47pts, -7, 18.51TOI
Bozak 27yrs - 28pts, -1, 20.19TOI

Notice a trend? One's career is trending up and the others trending down...at the same time, while Bozaks career trending up, Leafs are doing better as a team.

Grabs has played 367 hockey games to 238. Bozak has gone from 27 to 32, 47 (only 73games) to 28 (pace of 50pts).

Forget about the points and how one is trending up while the other down....Grabs is like puck hog who skates around the ice like a chicken without a head. Very low hockey IQ. Bozak plays in almost all situations, is important PK guy, top face off guy and obviously a better hockey player who's career is trending in the better direction.
Still now out ideal 1C but the obvious better choice between him and Grabs. I think the TML know what they are doing better then people on here think they do.
- Cooshie

Ever think we made it to the playoffs because we have a better coach? Carlyle is a hell of a lot better than Wilson, but Grabo and Bozak have nothing to do with that. The coaches have different styles they want their team to play. And Wilsons style sucked, which is why we didn't make it to the playoff. But Grabo played better under Wilsons style because he thinks more offensively.
Now, lets look at your trends. Ready for this. Its a mind-blower. Bozak is playing with Kessel. Got it? PHIL KESSEL. And hes coming into his prime. Thats why Bozak has inflated numbers. And Grabovski was put in a defensive role this season, which explains his numbers going down.
There is a lot more, but there is not point. This is ridiculous. You just don't get it.

Well, seems like the Leafs agree with me and disagree with you!!

- Cooshie

Yeah, and I'm sure it would go down in history as the first time a coach and or a team has made a ridiculously stupid decision that they'd end up regretting, especially with the leafs. First time ever, honestly, it's never happened before.

The whole 'team did this so I'm right' argument is useless, crappy, logic.

Ever think we made it to the playoffs because we have a better coach? Carlyle is a hell of a lot better than Wilson, but Grabo and Bozak have nothing to do with that. The coaches have different styles they want their team to play. And Wilsons style sucked, which is why we didn't make it to the playoff. But Grabo played better under Wilsons style because he thinks more offensively.
How, lets look and your trends. Ready for this. Its a mind-blower. Bozak is playing with Kessel. Got it. PHIL KESSEL. And hes coming into his prime. Thats why Bozak has inflated numbers. And Grabovski was put in a defensive role this season, which explains his numbers going down.
There is a lot more, but there is not point. This is ridiculous. You just don't get it.
- UsernameUnknown

100% - Carlyle reduced Grabs role, didn't he...great coaching move!

Hockey Inside Out site is having a "Bash the Laffs" week of chats, trivia games and prizes...We DARE Laffs fans to show up.

Yeah, and I'm sure it would go down in history as the first time a coach and or a team has made a ridiculously stupid decision that they'd end up regretting, especially with the leafs. First time ever, honestly, it's never happened before.

The whole 'team did this so I'm right' argument is useless, crappy, logic.
- joel878

Right, but you know better then the Leafs right now huh?

I think you should apply ASAP, NHL is looking for smarter GM's.

Trying to argue that bozak is a better all around player than grabovski is absolutely ridiculous. One of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here.

We're talking about a player who had a poor 48 games in the last 5 years, under a new coach who he didn't mesh with, compared to a player who needs one of the better scorers in the game to get his can on before each game.

There are third liners, regularly playing with other third liners who could give bozak a run for his money talent wise on any given night. It's been statistically proven that even kessel puts up better numbers more consistently without bozak.

Horrible argument.
- joel878

Thank you man. Some of these guys are just nuts.

100% - Carlyle reduced Grabs role, didn't he...great coaching move!
- Cooshie

Going back to an earlier argument. Part of the reason we dropped Grabo is because he doesn't fit the Carlyle system.
AND, you have to get that Grabo was at 3C because we had no other option. Kadri showed up to play. And did better than Grabo. Also better than Bozak, so dont bother with that one.
And Grabo was the best suited for the defensive role.
You.. just.. blow my mind.

Right, but you know better then the Leafs right now huh?

I think you should apply ASAP, NHL is looking for smarter GM's.
- Cooshie

Holy.

Let me try it again. Using the teams decisions as backing as to why a decision is the right one.. Is stupid. It is. We're talking about a league that introduces a compliance rule to help teams get rid of bad contracts. There are trades made all the time, and trades not made.. Because some dummy right before signed a bad contract.

If every move made by a team was correct and a perfect move, it would be a little tough to get a cup winner every year, wouldn't it? Use your head.

Holy.

Let me try it again. Using the teams decisions as backing as to why a decision is the right one.. Is stupid. It is. We're talking about a league that introduces a compliance rule to help teams get rid of bad contracts. There are trades made all the time, and trades not made.. Because some dummy right before signed a bad contract.

If every move made by a team was correct and a perfect move, it would be a little tough to get a cup winner every year, wouldn't it? Use your head.
- joel878

Cant believe this is even a discussion.

Thank you man. Some of these guys are just nuts.
- UsernameUnknown

Lets put the obvious reasoning aside that even the simplest of people can't seem to get (stats, obvious gameplay, etc.)... Bozak is useless. Freaking useless. Can't play defense, can't score goals, can't make his linemates better, can't even get better off his star linemates.

This teams fanbase accepting bozak is nothing but blind homerism. When he's finally out as kessels center, he's not good enough to play 2nd line center without a couple star wingers, he's not good enough to play 3rd line center. He's a 4.2 mil 4th line center, and a stupid contract the team will be stuck with.

There's so much not smart talk going on in these forums lately it hurts.

Holy.

Let me try it again. Using the teams decisions as backing as to why a decision is the right one.. Is stupid. It is. We're talking about a league that introduces a compliance rule to help teams get rid of bad contracts. There are trades made all the time, and trades not made.. Because some dummy right before signed a bad contract.

If every move made by a team was correct and a perfect move, it would be a little tough to get a cup winner every year, wouldn't it? Use your head.
- joel878

Sorry, but what is dumb is thinking that your opinion is the right opinion (which is exactly what you are doing). I think that Bozak is the better all around hockey player and also eluding to the fact that it was the same conclusion the Leafs came to.

Stop being so pig headed and get it through your head that your thoughts are not always the right thoughts.

Lets put the obvious reasoning aside that even the simplest of people can't seem to get (stats, obvious gameplay, etc.)... Bozak is useless. Freaking useless. Can't play defense, can't score goals, can't make his linemates better, can't even get better off his star linemates.

This teams fanbase accepting bozak is nothing but blind homerism. When he's finally out as kessels center, he's not good enough to play 2nd line center without a couple star wingers, he's not good enough to play 3rd line center. He's a 4.2 mil 4th line center, and a stupid contract the team will be stuck with.

There's so much not smart talk going on in these forums lately it hurts.
- joel878

I dont get it either. I mean.. I dont mind Bozak, because hes what we got and I like to stay optimistic, but I will never accept him as a #1C unless he puts up points like one.
Hes not 100% useless, as he can win faceoffs and is a good part of our PK, but that is about the extent of it. Oh, and can score a (frank)ing Shootout goal. I wouldnt call him horrendous, but nothing more than mediocre.
I don't want him on our team, but I don't have a choice. And letting Grabovski go was a mistake.
That was my original argument. Grabo is better than Bozak. I dont even wanna bother with arguing Bozaks overall effectiveness and participation to the team. its another headache waiting to happen.

Sorry, but what is dumb is thinking that your opinion is the right opinion (which is exactly what you are doing). I think that Bozak is the better all around hockey player and also eluding to the fact that it was the same conclusion the Leafs came to.

Stop being so pig headed and get it through your head that your thoughts are not always the right thoughts.
- Cooshie

No it wasn't.

No it wasn't.
- UsernameUnknown

how not?

Lets put the obvious reasoning aside that even the simplest of people can't seem to get (stats, obvious gameplay, etc.)... Bozak is useless. Freaking useless. Can't play defense, can't score goals, can't make his linemates better, can't even get better off his star linemates.

This teams fanbase accepting bozak is nothing but blind homerism. When he's finally out as kessels center, he's not good enough to play 2nd line center without a couple star wingers, he's not good enough to play 3rd line center. He's a 4.2 mil 4th line center, and a stupid contract the team will be stuck with.

There's so much not smart talk going on in these forums lately it hurts.
- joel878

No it wasn't.
- UsernameUnknown

yes it was

how not?
- derm10

There's a lot more to keeping one guy over another than just skillset.

No it wasn't.
- UsernameUnknown

u are gunna try and say that the leafs thought grabo was better?.......... so they bought him out and signed bozak . makes sense

yes it was
- Cooshie

Whatever you say champ.
Its your claim. Prove it to me.

u are gunna try and say that the leafs thought grabo was better?.......... so they bought him out and signed bozak . makes sense
- derm10

I repeat:
There is more to picking one guy over another than skillset.

There's a lot more to keeping one guy over another than just skillset.
- UsernameUnknown

they didn;t keep him over grabo... they got rid of grabo so they could resign him.

I repeat:
There is more to picking one guy over another than skillset.
- UsernameUnknown

what else?

how not?
- derm10

Don't even ask - he's going to tell you that Grabs is better because he had more points a couple years ago. These are the same guys that will avoid the Grabovski / Bozak conversation like the plague when Bozak puts up close to 60pts this year.

Watch them attack this now!!

Sorry, but what is dumb is thinking that your opinion is the right opinion (which is exactly what you are doing). I think that Bozak is the better all around hockey player and also eluding to the fact that it was the same conclusion the Leafs came to.

Stop being so pig headed and get it through your head that your thoughts are not always the right thoughts.
- Cooshie

Yes, keep sourcing the leafs management as the evidence you are right. The most historically dependable management to (frank) up something is what makes you right here. Not stats, not gameplay.. Not anything.

This is so blatantly obvious it's almost tough to argue. If you're going to stand by that decision, your opinion speaks for itself, and you're obviously a waste of time.

I've never seen a more appropriate time to borrow a line from honest hockey.. But come on, watch the freaking game.

Don't even ask - he's going to tell you that Grabs is better because he had more points a couple years ago. These are the same guys that will avoid the Grabovski / Bozak conversation like the plague when Bozak puts up close to 60pts this year.

What them attack this now!!
- Cooshie

grabo cannot play a role at center on a real contender... bozak could... even if it was 3rd or 4th line center. grabo is a 2nd center on a fringe playoff team.