They kept the cheaper player? HUH????
How much did they spend to buy out Grabs? DO you really think that 1mill savings to the cap was the deciding factor between the players? Dude, seriously? Come on now, you can't be that dense.

As for fitting better.....bottom line, you always go with the better player and you are saying that Grabs is better and therefore you know more about hockey players then the Toronto Maple Leafs.....


- Cooshie

on the cap sir. You know, Salary Cap.

no, I think the fact Bozak was a better fit was the deciding factor.

Look at their stats. This isn't hard. Grabbo is better at hockey than Bozak. Period.
Better goal scorer, better point producer, better defensively, better skater.

And Bozak played more minutes with better players, in more offensive situations.

Seriously, how is this even a debate?

Do you really think a player who has NEVER scored 20 goals or 50 points in his career is better than a player who's AVERAGED those numbers 4 yrs in a row?

Are you really THAT dense?

on the cap sir. You know, Salary Cap.

no, I think the fact Bozak was a better fit was the deciding factor.

Look at their stats. This isn't hard. Grabbo is better at hockey than Bozak. Period.
Better goal scorer, better point producer, better defensively, better skater.

And Bozak played more minutes with better players, in more offensive situations.

Seriously, how is this even a debate?

Do you really think a player who has NEVER scored 20 goals or 50 points in his career is better than a player who's AVERAGED those numbers 4 yrs in a row?

Are you really THAT dense?
- Big_Lightnin

Not to mention who they played with. Grabo did his thaang with MacArthur and Kulemin.
Bozak is playing with Kessel..

THANK U!!!! Grabbo was done as a Leaf, his time was up. What makes me laff is that, Grabbo fans think Bozak replaced Grabbo, but that's nonsense, GRabbo was NEVER gonna play on the 1st line with Kessel. GRabbo was made expendible cause Kadri is ready to assume the role of a 2nd line center. So Grabbo fans, tell me, with Kadri as the 2nd line center, where was Brabbo gonna fit? 1st line with Kessel? NOOOOO. 3rd line center??? noooooo. 4th line center at $5.5 mill per? nooooo. I wish they would just get it through their heads, it was Kadri's emergence as a 2nd line center is the reason we got rid of Grabbo. He had NO place on this team anymore!!!!!! Please Grabbo fans, tell me where he would have played with the Leafs?
- GCHonda

Sticky fingers there buddy?

But if you seriously think Bozak is a better player than Grabovski, you need some help to understand how players can be assessed as "better" than another.

As for your question, Grabo would be a second line center, and Kadri would be promoted to 1. Which should happen in a year or two anyways. But now it won't because Bozak can't do (frank) all without Kessel

Kadri/Grabo > Bozak Kadri. Straight up, my friend. Sorry.

on the cap sir. You know, Salary Cap.

no, I think the fact Bozak was a better fit was the deciding factor.

Look at their stats. This isn't hard. Grabbo is better at hockey than Bozak. Period.
Better goal scorer, better point producer, better defensively, better skater.

And Bozak played more minutes with better players, in more offensive situations.

Seriously, how is this even a debate?

Do you really think a player who has NEVER scored 20 goals or 50 points in his career is better than a player who's AVERAGED those numbers 4 yrs in a row?

Are you really THAT dense?
- Big_Lightnin

If Grabbo could put together a full consistent 82 game season, than yeah that would put him head over heels Bozak but the fact is that in the last 4 seaosns, GRabbo hasn't done that. He is VERY inconsistent. He does well for a few games than dissapears for several more. Which Grabbo are u watching? Do u watch the Leafs? I know I do.

on the cap sir. You know, Salary Cap.

no, I think the fact Bozak was a better fit was the deciding factor.

Look at their stats. This isn't hard. Grabbo is better at hockey than Bozak. Period.
Better goal scorer, better point producer, better defensively, better skater.

And Bozak played more minutes with better players, in more offensive situations.

Seriously, how is this even a debate?

Do you really think a player who has NEVER scored 20 goals or 50 points in his career is better than a player who's AVERAGED those numbers 4 yrs in a row?

Are you really THAT dense?
- Big_Lightnin

The thing with Grabbo, it's like a Seguin type deal. No, I'm not saying Seguin is as good as Grabbo. Don't get me wrong. It's just that Grabbo is a good hockey player, but he doesn't know how to operate a dishwasher or a washer or dryer. You can't have a guy like that around, throwing dirty clothes in the dryer and punching women in the face. This isn't baseball man.

Go Leafs Go.

Lol @ Bill Waters.

Not to mention who they played with. Grabo did his thaang with MacArthur and Kulemin.
Bozak is playing with Kessel..
- UsernameUnknown

Bozak is just keeping the seat warm for Kadri. Who should take over the #1 role around Christmas, unless the Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson line develops serious chemistry. Which in that case they'd be line #1 and Bozak would still end up being 2C.

If Grabbo could put together a full consistent 82 game season, than yeah that would put him head over heels Bozak but the fact is that in the last 4 seaosns, GRabbo hasn't done that. He is VERY inconsistent. He does well for a few games than dissapears for several more. Which Grabbo are u watching? Do u watch the Leafs? I know I do.
- GCHonda

Dude. Listen to the Numbers. I would rather have a streaky Grabo that produces more points than a consistently mediocre Bozak who gets less.. That'st just dumb.
If you have a problem with inconsistency, you better take a look at our star player.

on the cap sir. You know, Salary Cap.

no, I think the fact Bozak was a better fit was the deciding factor.

Look at their stats. This isn't hard. Grabbo is better at hockey than Bozak. Period.
Better goal scorer, better point producer, better defensively, better skater.

And Bozak played more minutes with better players, in more offensive situations.

Seriously, how is this even a debate?

Do you really think a player who has NEVER scored 20 goals or 50 points in his career is better than a player who's AVERAGED those numbers 4 yrs in a row?

Are you really THAT dense?
- Big_Lightnin

Listen, you can ramble on all you want but the reason the Toronto Maple Leafs chose Bozak over Grabovski is pretty plain and simple. They know that the Leafs will win more games with Bozak lineup. You can throw points around all you want but you would still be wrong in calling Grabovski a better overall player because if that were the case, he would still be playing for the TML. The Leafs didn't make a 5yr commitment and $23millionish dollar investment (not to mention how much it cost to buy Grabovski out) because he "fits" RC's system better....they did it because Bozak is the better hockey player. You arguing that is just making you look silly.

One thing I think we can all agree on is that neither of those guys is a true 1C but unfortunately, one of them had to be the Leafs 1C and they picked the better all around Hockey player.

Not to mention who they played with. Grabo did his thaang with MacArthur and Kulemin.
Bozak is playing with Kessel..
- UsernameUnknown

That's what happens when you can't produce, you drop lines.

Bozak is just keeping the seat warm for Kadri. Who should take over the #1 role around Christmas, unless the Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson line develops serious chemistry. Which in that case they'd be line #1 and Bozak would still end up being 2C.
- BetterCallSaul

Can't happen.

Do you want our second line to be JVR-Bozak-Clarkson.

Bozak at any time without Kessel is not good enough to produce strong number. Not even hating on the guy, it's just the way it is.

Maybe that loser Adam French is on to something?



- weirdoh

STFU you drunk...













*hides Zofia*

LOL blue jays

Dude. Listen to the Numbers. I would rather have a streaky Grabo that produces more points than a consistently mediocre Bozak who gets less.. That'st just dumb.
If you have a problem with inconsistency, you better take a look at our star player.
- UsernameUnknown

New band???

Sticky fingers there buddy?

But if you seriously think Bozak is a better player than Grabovski, you need some help to understand how players can be assessed as "better" than another.

As for your question, Grabo would be a second line center, and Kadri would be promoted to 1. Which should happen in a year or two anyways. But now it won't because Bozak can't do (frank) all without Kessel

Kadri/Grabo > Bozak Kadri. Straight up, my friend. Sorry.
- UsernameUnknown

So you are believe the Leafs spent, what, about $35million or so (grabo buyout plus bozak contract) on the lesser hockey player because he fit RC's system better? LOL

If this is the case, the Leafs deserve to miss the playoffs for next decade!

That's what happens when you can't produce, you drop lines.
- Cooshie

Grabovski wasn't given a fair shake after Carlyle took this team over. I like Carlyle and trust he knows how to organize a team better than I do, but I don't think he gave Grabovski enough opportunity.

LOL blue jays
- Sammich

Listen, you can ramble on all you want but the reason the Toronto Maple Leafs chose Bozak over Grabovski is pretty plain and simple. They know that the Leafs will win more games with Bozak lineup. You can throw points around all you want but you would still be wrong in calling Grabovski a better overall player because if that were the case, he would still be playing for the TML. The Leafs didn't make a 5yr commitment and $23millionish dollar investment (not to mention how much it cost to buy Grabovski out) because he "fits" RC's system better....they did it because Bozak is the better hockey player. You arguing that is just making you look silly.

One thing I think we can all agree on is that neither of those guys is a true 1C but unfortunately, one of them had to be the Leafs 1C and they picked the better all around Hockey player.
- Cooshie

Not true. Simply not true at all. Bozak fits the Carlyle system better. And Grabo's contract was too high. That's why he's not a Leaf anymore.
Teams cant always keep the better player.

I think the fact that you argue Bozak is a better player is just silly.

New band???
- lumlums

Heavy Metal.
Cant get enough.

Can't happen.

Do you want our second line to be JVR-Bozak-Clarkson.

Bozak at any time without Kessel is not good enough to produce strong number. Not even hating on the guy, it's just the way it is.
- UsernameUnknown

I'll give Bozak the benefit of the doubt that he could centre that line, he had some good chemistry with Lupul as well. I think the Kadri line everyone is expecting will command enough attention that it'll make Kessel's job easier and consequently continue to make Bozak look better.

So you are believe the Leafs spent, what, about $35million or so (grabo buyout plus bozak contract) on the lesser hockey player because he fit RC's system better? LOL

If this is the case, the Leafs deserve to miss the playoffs for next decade!
- Cooshie

Yes. That 35Million or so is a BIG reason they had to let him go in the first place. We couldnt afford it.
Nobody can say that Bozak is a better hockey player than Grabovski. Nobody. Its not true and the evidence is one click away. Look it up.

I'll give Bozak the benefit of the doubt that he could centre that line, he had some good chemistry with Lupul as well. I think the Kadri line everyone is expecting will command enough attention that it'll make Kessel's job easier and consequently continue to make Bozak look better.
- BetterCallSaul

Id let him try. And eat my words if need be. But so far, I don't see any reason to suggest Bozak can play away from Kessel.
As for Lupul, he has way more Chemistry with Kadri. I think whichever line Kadri is on, Lupul should be on as well. If Kadri goes up or down, so does Lupul.
But you are right when the second line opens up the ice and takes away the attention of Kessel. Its gonna be a good year with our top 6, but IMO Grabo would be better in it.

Grabovski wasn't given a fair shake after Carlyle took this team over. I like Carlyle and trust he knows how to organize a team better than I do, but I don't think he gave Grabovski enough opportunity.
- BetterCallSaul

Could be but hey, look at the Leafs over the last few years.
Interestingly, under Wilson, Grabs prospered and the leafs never made the playoffs.
RC takes over, makes some changes (Grabs included) and the Leafs make the playoffs. I think RC realized that although Grabs produced points he also hurt the Leafs as a whole team.
Check out the last 3 years
Grabs 27yrs - 58pts, +14, 19.22TOI
Grabs 28yrs - 51pts, 0, 17.36TOI
Grabs 29yrs - 16pts, - 10, 15.34TOI

Bozak 25yrs - 32pts, -29, 18.46TOI
Bozak 26yrs - 47pts, -7, 18.51TOI
Bozak 27yrs - 28pts, -1, 20.19TOI

Notice a trend? One's career is trending up and the others trending down...at the same time, while Bozaks career trending up, Leafs are doing better as a team.

Grabs has played 367 hockey games to 238. Bozak has gone from 27 to 32, 47 (only 73games) to 28 (pace of 50pts).

Forget about the points and how one is trending up while the other down....Grabs is like puck hog who skates around the ice like a chicken without a head. Very low hockey IQ. Bozak plays in almost all situations, is important PK guy, top face off guy and obviously a better hockey player who's career is trending in the better direction.
Still not our ideal 1C but the obvious better choice between him and Grabs. I think the TML know what they are doing better then people on here think they do.

Not true. Simply not true at all. Bozak fits the Carlyle system better. And Grabo's contract was too high. That's why he's not a Leaf anymore.
Teams cant always keep the better player.

I think the fact that you argue Bozak is a better player is just silly.
- UsernameUnknown

What is silly is that you think the Leafs would shell out $35million dollars for an inferior player because he "fits the Carlyle system better". That is just as silly as it gets!

Listen, you can ramble on all you want but the reason the Toronto Maple Leafs chose Bozak over Grabovski is pretty plain and simple. They know that the Leafs will win more games with Bozak lineup. You can throw points around all you want but you would still be wrong in calling Grabovski a better overall player because if that were the case, he would still be playing for the TML. The Leafs didn't make a 5yr commitment and $23millionish dollar investment (not to mention how much it cost to buy Grabovski out) because he "fits" RC's system better....they did it because Bozak is the better hockey player. You arguing that is just making you look silly.

One thing I think we can all agree on is that neither of those guys is a true 1C but unfortunately, one of them had to be the Leafs 1C and they picked the better all around Hockey player.
- Cooshie

Trying to argue that bozak is a better all around player than grabovski is absolutely ridiculous. One of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here.

We're talking about a player who had a poor 48 games in the last 5 years, under a new coach who he didn't mesh with, compared to a player who needs one of the better scorers in the game to get his can on before each game.

There are third liners, regularly playing with other third liners who could give bozak a run for his money talent wise on any given night. It's been statistically proven that even kessel puts up better numbers more consistently without bozak.

Horrible argument.

Trying to argue that bozak is a better all around player than grabovski is absolutely ridiculous. One of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here.

We're talking about a player who had a poor 48 games in the last 5 years, under a new coach who he didn't mesh with, compared to a player who needs one of the better scorers in the game to get his can on before each game.

There are third liners, regularly playing with other third liners who could give bozak a run for his money talent wise on any given night. It's been statistically proven that even kessel puts up better numbers more consistently without bozak.

Horrible argument.
- joel878

Well, seems like the Leafs agree with me and disagree with you!!