This was end of this past season. He's not ready to be made the superstar Toronto fans wanna make him.
- honesthockey

wasn't the end of the season, it was right after he returned to the line up, end of March

Mine was end of the season, during the playoffs.

Yeah we lost. Gardiner with the game winning assist.
- honesthockey

Mostly because Gardiner wasn't ready for the big time, eh?

wasn't the end of the season, it was right after he returned to the line up.

Mine was end of the season, during the playoffs.
- Big_Lightnin

I still don't know who is making him out as a superstar. Leafs coach said he is or can be an elite puck moving defenseman, I think he would know more than us on that position.

and yet not that similar
- Big_Lightnin

- burn

that was lost in the page turn. quite disappointing

I still don't know who is making him out as a superstar. Leafs coach said he is or can be an elite puck moving defenseman, I think he would know more than us on that position.
- LeafMan

The coach knows game only works for bozak.

The coach knows game only works for bozak.
- burn

I guess so. lol.

I still don't know who is making him out as a superstar. Leafs coach said he is or can be an elite puck moving defenseman, I think he would know more than us on that position.
- LeafMan

That sounds like the coach making him out to be a superstar to me. I can't think of any elite puck moving defensemen who aren't considered superstars.

That sounds like the coach making him out to be a superstar to me. I can't think of any elite puck moving defensemen who aren't considered superstars.
- 1979AD

Kaberle ?

is Brian Campbell a superstar? I don't think so.

"Elite PMD" refers to 1 aspect of his game IMO.

Kuleman's now a defenseman

Why would we want to move Kuleman? He opens up so much ice for his linemates.

Kuleman - Kadri - Lupul

Could be the 2011 Kuleman/Grabo/MacArthur line
- Garnie

Kulemin will not be on a line with Lupul

Kulemin will not be on a line with Lupul
- Fakepartofme

ya we covered that. He's all better now.

oh hey.

Franson OR Gardiner + Colborne for Coutourier.

thoughts?
- Big_Lightnin

Neither.

That sounds like the coach making him out to be a superstar to me. I can't think of any elite puck moving defensemen who aren't considered superstars.
- 1979AD

A Superstar defenceman is an all round player, I'm one that classifies players as, Superstars, Franchise then Elite.

Carlyle called one level of his play as elite, I don't make the connection to superstar.

ya we covered that. He's all better now.
- Big_Lightnin

nuts, I was late to the game......AGAIN!!!

Kaberle ?

is Brian Campbell a superstar? I don't think so.

"Elite PMD" refers to 1 aspect of his game IMO.
- Big_Lightnin

Kaberle's not an elite PMD. Bryan Campbell, I'll give you. Kris Letang is an elite PMD with serious defensive deficiencies, yet widely considered a superstar.

A Superstar defenceman is an all round player, I'm one that classifies players as, Superstars, Franchise then Elite.

Carlyle called one level of his play as elite, I don't make the connection to superstar.
- LeafMan

How do you classify Kris Letang?

A Superstar defenceman is an all round player, I'm one that classifies players as, Superstars, Franchise then Elite.

Carlyle called one level of his play as elite, I don't make the connection to superstar.
- LeafMan

I think these 2 are pretty much the same.

agreed on the rest.

Kaberle's not an elite PMD. Bryan Campbell, I'll give you. Kris Letang is an elite PMD with serious defensive deficiencies, yet widely considered a superstar.
- 1979AD

he WAS.

Neither.
- Fakepartofme

Do you think Reilly will be good?

How do you classify Kris Letang?
- 1979AD

He is an elite PMD but has defensive lapses, not a superstar or franchise player, imo.

Neither.
- Fakepartofme

cause you don't want Coutourier or cause you want to keep both?

Franson's going to be tight to sign, and make cap VERY tight. Trading him relieves that, and gets a very good young center in the process who's got a Low cap hit for 3 more years.

Leafs have depth on D to replace Franson or Gardiner. Don't have anybody anywhere near Couts in the system.

He is an elite PMD but has defensive lapses, not a superstar or franchise player, imo.
- LeafMan

Fair enough. 8 years/58mill is a hell of a contract for a non-superstar though.

cause you don't want Coutourier or cause you want to keep both?

Franson's going to be tight to sign, and make cap VERY tight. Trading him relieves that, and gets a very good young center in the process who's got a Low cap hit for 3 more years.

Leafs have depth on D to replace Franson or Gardiner. Don't have anybody anywhere near Couts in the system.
- Big_Lightnin

Centres in the system

Gauthier
Verhaeghe
McKegg
Carrick
Crescenzi
Rupert
Toninato
Cameranesi

Centres in the system

Gauthier
Verhaeghe
McKegg
Carrick
Crescenzi
Rupert
Toninato
Cameranesi
- LeafMan

That's ugly.

Centres in the system with anywhere near Coutourier's potential









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- LeafMan

Like I said...