Whatever you say champ.
Its your claim. Prove it to me.
- UsernameUnknown

I have given you proof, i have shown you stats, trending...etc..
You always have an answer (even though they are bogus).

Why would I go back to square one to prove the obvious once again?!

they didn;t keep him over grabo... they got rid of grabo so they could resign him.
- derm10

They got rid of grabovski so they could throw barrels of money at Clarkson.

They already had the money to stupidly overpay bozak.

what else?
- derm10

Contract was the big one in this case.
The player fitting the coaching style is another in this case.

Others as well that don't necessarily pertain to this situation is
Locker presence, attitude (See Phaneuf and Seguin)

grabo cannot play a roll at center on a real contender... bozak could... even if it was 3rd or 4th line center. grabo is a 2nd center on a fringe playoff team.
- derm10

Bozak wouldn't be rolling on any contender unless he was there to roll kessel's bag around.

You guys are the reason the kool-aid phrase was invented.

Contract was the big one in this case.
The player fitting the coaching style is another in this case.

Others as well that don't necessarily pertain to this situation is
Locker presence, attitude (See Phaneuf and Seguin)
- UsernameUnknown

You mean there's more to building a team than skill sets?



These guys have obviously never watched a ranger game.

grabo cannot play a roll at center on a real contender... bozak could... even if it was 3rd or 4th line center. grabo is a 2nd center on a fringe playoff team.
- derm10

I have said this in the past too.
Bozak could have a place on a good hockey team whereas Grabs will not.

Bozak is not the LEafs ideal 1C but it's not like the Leafs have much choice until they get someone through trade or Kadri is ready for it. That said, Bozak is the better place holder then Grabs is and when the time comes for him to move down to 2C or 3C he will be a bigger asset to this team then Grabs would.

They got rid of grabovski so they could throw barrels of money at Clarkson.

They already had the money to stupidly overpay bozak.
- joel878

didn't over pay bozak by much... get with the times that what it takes to sign a player like him...... and as far as clarkson goes.... sure they overpaid for him... but it's only money... didn;t give up a pick or a prospect or a package..... the got him for nothin more then money...... thats why the top free agents hit it big every year........ they got him and not the 29 other teams.

I have given you proof, i have shown you stats, trending...etc..
You always have an answer (even though they are bogus).

Why would I go back to square one to prove the obvious once again?!
- Cooshie

Your claim I disagreed with and asked you to show proof of was:

The Leafs got rid of Grabo because they thought Bozak was a better player.
Prove to me that is why the leafs organization ditched him. Get a Nonis quote.

Contract was the big one in this case.
The player fitting the coaching style is another in this case.

Others as well that don't necessarily pertain to this situation is
Locker presence, attitude (See Phaneuf and Seguin)
- UsernameUnknown

Contract was the big one in this case?
Dude, you just lost your argument right there....

Move on already.

didn't over pay bozak by much... get with the times that what it takes to sign a player like him...... and as far as clarkson goes.... sure they overpaid for him... but it's only money... didn;t give up a pick or a prospect or a package..... the got him for nothin more then money...... thats why the top free agents hit it big every year........ they got him and not the 29 other teams.
- derm10

So 4th liners are typically paid that much?

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

They got rid of grabovski so they could throw barrels of money at Clarkson.

They already had the money to stupidly overpay bozak.
- joel878

How much did they save in cap space and how much did it cost them to save that cap space?

I have said this in the past too.
Bozak could have a place on a good hockey team whereas Grabs will not.

Bozak is not the LEafs ideal 1C but it's not like the Leafs have much choice until they get someone through trade or Kadri is ready for it. That said, Bozak is the better place holder then Grabs is and when the time comes for him to move down to 2C or 3C he will be a bigger asset to this team then Grabs would.
- Cooshie

exactly.. the team can grow with bozak... with grabo they would be standing still..... people think players grow on trees...just like top pairing defenceman or number 1 centers.. or a star goalie..... not enough in the league for all 30 team to have one of each.

So 4th liners are typically paid that much?

Keep drinking the kool-aid.
- joel878

if u think clarkson is a 4th liner then thats all u need to say.

Your claim I disagreed with and asked you to show proof of was:

The Leafs got rid of Grabo because they thought Bozak was a better player.
Prove to me that is why the leafs organization ditched him. Get a Nonis quote.
- UsernameUnknown

ur one of those guys that would win on a technicality and act like you worked hard for it and deserve the win.

Contract was the big one in this case?
Dude, you just lost your argument right there....

Move on already.
- Cooshie

Are you kidding me!?
If we had Grabovski right now instead of Bozak, how much cap space would we have? Not enough.
You lost this argument as soon as you said Bozak is better...
Anything after that is a joke.

ur one of those guys that would win on a technicality and act like you worked hard for it and deserve the win.
- derm10

Not at all.

So 4th liners are typically paid that much?

Keep drinking the kool-aid.
- joel878

david bolland played for the cup champ blackhawks on the forth line making 3.4 or whatever.

Not at all.
- UsernameUnknown

they why are u trying win on a technicality... if they leafs thought grabo was better they would have kept him. fact...... there is ur quote from nonis

if u think clarkson is a 4th liner then thats all u need to say.
- derm10

No no, Clarkson is a third liner. He was a good chunk of his time in New Jersey anyways. Only in Toronto is he Wendell Clark.

Let's just say he's no Tyler bozak

Are you kidding me!?
If we had Grabovski right now instead of Bozak, how much cap space would we have? Not enough.
You lost this argument as soon as you said Bozak is better...
Anything after that is a joke.
- UsernameUnknown

Again, so what you are saying is the Leafs went and spent $35 million dollars on an inferior player (Buyout plus Bozak contract) so they could gain the extra $1mill in cap space to give to Clarkson?! Is that what you are trying to sell us?

they why are u trying win on a technicality... if they leafs thought grabo was better they would have kept him. fact...... there is ur quote from nonis
- derm10

That is in no way, shape, or form a fact. and the FACT that you cant understand that in astounding.

There is a lot of anger here to tonight.

No no, Clarkson is a third liner. He was a good chunk of his time in New Jersey anyways. Only in Toronto is he Wendell Clark.

Let's just say he's no Tyler bozak
- joel878

where else would u compare a player to clark?

david bolland played for the cup champ blackhawks on the forth line making 3.4 or whatever.
- derm10

I'm gonna say this as nicely as possible. You need to go learn hockey, and come back.

That is in no way, shape, or form a fact. and the FACT that you cant understand that in astounding.
- UsernameUnknown

ok then what did the leafs buyout grabo? and i want facts here.