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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 23 @ 1:57 PM ET
Vinny said he will only sign here if he is guaranteed a spot with giroux

and that is indeed what line he will start the season on..

- Crimsoninja


You sound like a presidential candidate avoiding a question
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 23 @ 1:57 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on hear for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base. The defense was blamed and shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767

Hey lar, I think bill said bryz was not the main problem but he was not the solution either, he said that many times. He accurately said how bryz started the season as one of their better better players and kept them in a lot of games they should have been blown out, and later said how he was not making the timely saves and was not good on breakaways and shoot outs.


I think bill calls it like it is sir. Just my opinion.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 23 @ 1:58 PM ET
if I recall, Brad hated the Bryz acquistion and signing
- nastyflyergirl

It's the only thing Brad and I ever agreed on.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
sigh, do we really need bradley's head to get any bigger?
- aightwebang17

It'll never fit through the ladies room door now...
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on hear for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base. The defense was blamed and shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767

Talk about revisionist. Laviolette didn't change his team's defensive strategy until just before Mason's arrival. Yes, Mason still outplayed Bryz, but let's not act like the TEAM defense was anything but a porous mess prior to Lavi's making adjustments. There are too many variables to place blame at just one set of feet, but hey you're not really interested in anything but trying to rub Bill's nose in it, are ya?
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jul 23 @ 2:00 PM ET
Wonder how smooth things will go with Bylsma and Lavvy for USA
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 23 @ 2:01 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on hear for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base. The defense was blamed and shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767


He wasn't the least of their problems, but he wasn't their biggest problem. His goaltending was adequate considering the play of the team in front of him. He never went above and beyond to steal games, but he never was terrible enough to be the primary reason they lost.

I felt they shouldn't get rid of him unless they had a contingency plan and wanted to use his money to make an upgrade in other areas.

Once the offseason stuff happened and it became clear that the players did not like him or want him back, most of us jumped on the buyout bandwagon.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 23 @ 2:01 PM ET
No one is the least bit nervous about the goaltending?
Both guys come with pretty big question marks.

- Marc D


Yes, I'm nervous.

I have very low expectations for Mason as he's been supremely sub-mediocre beginning with his second season. I don't have high hopes that he can suddenly turn it around and become a viable #1.

With Emery, my only concern is his hips holding up. He seems to be fine but I think he'll get a lot more work, and his minutes will be tougher, than in his last couple seasons. I hope the workload doesn't wear him out. I have no doubts about his skills, though.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 23 @ 2:02 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on here for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base who blamed the defense. It shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767



This is very simple. The archives are easily found. What Bill wrote is on record. Feel free to go back, and bring some evidence to back up your claims. Because all of us who are regulars on this site, are aware of what Bill wrote in regards to Bryzgalov, and his play here. And his comments were, as usual, accurate and on point. Mason played 7 games in a Flyers uniform! LOL You can find similar small stretches of games for Bryzgalov where his numbers were very good.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 23 @ 2:02 PM ET
yes, he wanted to stick with Bobs and a cheaper vet
I remember that

- Marc D

Yes, I suggested the Flyers try to acquire Nabby to mentor Bob in that convo. Crims is being obstreperous.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 23 @ 2:02 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on here for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base who blamed the defense. It shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767



Rabble. Rabble rabble. Rabble rabble rabble.

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 23 @ 2:03 PM ET
Wonder how smooth things will go with Bylsma and Lavvy for USA
- Trainfellow

Bout as smooth as sandpaper wrapped in barb wire trying to pick up an out-of-it's-league chick with an old, overused pickup line.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 23 @ 2:04 PM ET
Hey lar, I think bill said bryz was not the main problem but he was not the solution either, he said that many times. He accurately said how bryz started the season as one of their better better players and kept them in a lot of games they should have been blown out, and later said how he was not making the timely saves and was not good on breakaways and shoot outs.


I think bill calls it like it is sir. Just my opinion.

- Marc D

That's how I see it, and not just because I started to pull together excerpts from the archives reflecting exactly this (a task I eventually gave up on, as I'm apparently supposed to be working).
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:04 PM ET
Rabble. Rabble rabble. Rabble rabble rabble.


- Moose_15

BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on hear for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base. The defense was blamed and shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767


What's your point? Bryz is gone. At this point does it matter if he was horrible, great, or somewhere in between while he was a Flyer? Even if you were accurate in your characterization of Bill's coverage of Bryz (which you're not), I fail to see what difference it makes now. Bryz has left the building. Time to move on.

Also, are you really making your entire case on a 7 game sample from Mason? While conveniently ignoring the three month span where Bryz set the Flyers shut out record and was one of the best goalies in the league? The point here is that a small sample size is not really solid proof of anything. Mason's numbers don't prove Bryz was the entire problem any more than Bryz's hot streak proves he wasn't part of the problem at all.

I'm definitely glad he's gone, and won't miss him. But your logic is flawed to say the least, and your characterization of Bill's coverage of Bryz is just plain wrong.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
Rabble. Rabble rabble. Rabble rabble rabble.


- Moose_15

p much
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on here for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base who blamed the defense. It shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767

Mason played in 7 games....Retire his number
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
This is very simple. The archives are easily found. What Bill wrote is on record. Feel free to go back, and bring some evidence to back up your claims. Because all of us who are regulars on this site, are aware of what Bill wrote in regards to Bryzgalov, and his play here. And his comments were, as usual, accurate and on point. Mason played 7 games in a Flyers uniform! LOL You can find similar small stretches of games for Bryzgalov where his numbers were very good.
- MJL

I quote March, 2012. Bryz was player of the month.
Bryzgalov in March 2012: 10-2-1, 1.43 GAA, .947 save percentage, four shutouts.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
Bout as smooth as sandpaper wrapped in barb wire trying to pick up an out-of-it's-league chick with an old, overused pickup line.
- JAKEw1234


I think you forgot the shards of glass...
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:06 PM ET
This is very simple. The archives are easily found. What Bill wrote is on record. Feel free to go back, and bring some evidence to back up your claims. Because all of us who are regulars on this site, are aware of what Bill wrote in regards to Bryzgalov, and his play here. And his comments were, as usual, accurate and on point. Mason played 7 games in a Flyers uniform! LOL You can find similar small stretches of games for Bryzgalov where his numbers were very good.
- MJL

March 2012 Bryz was the best goalie in the world, for a month. Also the first 10 games or so of last season he was outstanding.

Just two examples off the top of my head where Bryz as a Flyer looked like a franchise #1 nearly elite goalie.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 23 @ 2:06 PM ET
Wonder how smooth things will go with Bylsma and Lavvy for USA
- Trainfellow


I wonder how Quick a hook the goalies will have for Team USA.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jul 23 @ 2:06 PM ET
Mason played in 7 games....Retire his number
- KINGKENZO

Only if we retire Shelley's, first.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
That's how I see it, and not just because I started to pull together excerpts from the archives reflecting exactly this (a task I eventually gave up on, as I'm apparently supposed to be working).
- BulliesPhan87

we are getting trolled here anyways
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
Yes, I suggested the Flyers try to acquire Nabby to mentor Bob in that convo. Crims is being obstreperous.
- Flyskippy

I wanted Vokoun.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
Fair and balanced is fine but revisionist history is another. The phrase 'bryz is the least of their problems' has been a staple on here for two years and if you don't think so you're a liar. Bill did make a lot of excuses for him as did the majority of the fan base who blamed the defense. It shouldn't have been as Mason's number bear out.
- lar6767


Last year their defense was worse than Bryz. Imho.
Last year their overall team defense was worse than Bryz. Imho.
Last year their 5-on-5 play was worse than Bryz. Imho.
Last year their second unit PP was worse than Bryz. Imho.
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