I'm just speculating... Team Canada seems to be a select "boys club".
- Pecafan Fan

they're wisely staying away from injury prone guys like spezza and lupul

why even bother wasting your time with guys who cant even make it through the season let alone the season plus the olympics

guess the guys who made the picks see the same thing in Hall that everyone else does... he's elite.

Lupul is a plug and wouldn't make Canada's B team, or C team...
- BigDre

Coming from a fan of the best lottery team in the league.

Yeah, because Subban would have signed that...
- Pecafan Fan

Get your car yet?

Ebs scored 34 goals in his second season, was injured for much of the last one. Hall finished >ppg and was the 2nd most productive LW in the league last year.


- BigDre

you're paying based off of potential.. If the player never hits that "potential" it becomes a bad deal

So You'd rather see the Leafs sign him for say 2.75 million, 1 year and then pay him 36 million over 6. A total of 38.75 million over 7 years

Or

sign him long-term now at 5 years, 22.5 million

Maybe you won't save much money, but your cap number on him sure looks a lok better after next year.
- IanEsplen

bridge deals are usually 2 years because teams want to see that player prove that he can be productive on a consistent basis. and even with your example, that's a difference of $1.5 million in cap savings annually. significant but easy to work around.
but your entire argument is based on the assumption that Kadri is now a 70-80 point centre for the next 6-7 years who will automatically get the $6 million/yr contract. if we're operating on that assumption, then i'm with you: sign him long term asap. but that's the point of the bridge deal, it's that you don't know for sure how the player will turn out yet, and you don't want to commit long-term before you do.

guess the guys who made the picks see the same thing in Hall that everyone else does... he's elite.

Lupul is a plug and wouldn't make Canada's B team, or C team...
- BigDre

oh look a trolling d bag, what a day!

guess the guys who made the picks see the same thing in Hall that everyone else does... he's elite.

Lupul is a plug and wouldn't make Canada's B team, or C team...
- BigDre

The only comparison I was making between the two is that fact that they both have had plenty of injuries over the past few seasons...

hmmm........

I think Lupul was snubbed from Team Canada. very disappointing.
- twiztedmike

I'm not surprised he wasn't included, lots of other guys that you'd think might have a shot too didn't get named (benn).


But posts like this just prove how retarded Brady is.

“@bradyfan590: No Olympic invite for Joffrey Lupul? Very, very telling.....”“@bradyfan590: That Lupul's hardly considered an elite player despite some Leafs mouthpieces suggesting such RT @ren_lessard of what?”

bridge deals are usually 2 years because teams want to see that player prove that he can be productive on a consistent basis. and even with your example, that's a difference of $1.5 million in cap savings annually. significant but easy to work around.
but your entire argument is based on the assumption that Kadri is now a 70-80 point centre for the next 6-7 years who will automatically get the $6 million/yr contract. if we're operating on that assumption, then i'm with you: sign him long term asap. but that's the point of the bridge deal, it's that you don't know for sure how the player will turn out yet, and you don't want to commit long-term before you do.
- DoubleDown

exactly.

both the player and the management have a risk/reward in both scenarios.

its whats best for both the player and management, which is usually the 2 years...unless of course management see's something and they feel comfortable enough to shell out the cash for long term. like if u had a crosby, stamkos type player..

exactly.

both the player and the management have a risk/reward in both scenarios.

its whats best for both the player and management, which is usually the 2 years...unless of course management see's something and they feel comfortable enough to shell out the cash for long term. like if u had a crosby, stamkos type player..
- big_dion

* cough Ov Cough *

The thing leading me to believe Kadri will sign a reasonable deal was a quote I read from him "I believe I can be a 1C in the league I'm working towards that" I think that statement alone leans towards a bridge deal.
- Jay Uller

Agreed

they're wisely staying away from injury prone guys like spezza and lupul

why even bother wasting your time with guys who cant even make it through the season let alone the season plus the olympics
- Dozzer

IMO the camp doesn't mean a whole lot.. They brought a whack of the top guys together... If Lupul and Spez are going at a ppg pace by oly. time they will get considered just as seriously as anyone in camp.

IMO the camp doesn't mean a whole lot.. They brought a whack of the top guys together... If Lupul and Spez are going at a ppg pace by oly. time they will get considered just as seriously as anyone in camp.
- Jay Uller

Very well could be, also Babcock will be getting a good look at those two players this season now that Detroit is the same division.

I'm not surprised he wasn't included, lots of other guys that you'd think might have a shot too didn't get named (benn).


But posts like this just prove how retarded Brady is.

“@bradyfan590: No Olympic invite for Joffrey Lupul? Very, very telling.....”“@bradyfan590: That Lupul's hardly considered an elite player despite some Leafs mouthpieces suggesting such RT @ren_lessard of what?”
- burn

should be:
brady_thefangirl_590

Please explain why he'd do that.
- Pecafan Fan

You think Kadri would turn down that kind of money over 5?

they're wisely staying away from injury prone guys like spezza and lupul

why even bother wasting your time with guys who cant even make it through the season let alone the season plus the olympics
- Dozzer

i think there are something like 14-15 natural centremen on the invitee list. and it'd be hard to make an argument for Spezza over all but a few (Jordan Staal, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards maybe). but at least those guys can play wing and are generally more complete players. so even before injuries, i'm not sure Spezza has a place. he's too one-dimensional and Canada is just too deep with elite talent at centre.
Lupul i'm surprised by his omission from this list but i didn't think he had a shot at the main team.

Agreed
- burn

Nonis and Kadris agent will have a pissing match for a while, the season will get close and Kadri will step in and it will get done. At this point of his career he can't let a few dollars get in the way of the shot he is finally being given.

You think Kadri would turn down that kind of money over 5?
- IanEsplen

We hope not..

Very well could be, also Babcock will be getting a good look at those two players this season now that Detroit is the same division.
- vermie22

Very true, seems like a player Babcock could find useful. He has been a depth guy before and knows the expectations.

Who has the better chance of making and sticking from the Marlies for maybe 3rd line winger? D'Amigo, Ashton or Ross?

I see he never participated in any World Championships since the WJC in 2003.

Maybe he always says no to Team Canada when he's invited and they decided to pass.
- Pecafan Fan

\well, he was in the playoffs 4 of 5 years after 2003, then injured a lot. Not really available.

Plus he was usually a 2nd line winger. Team Canada puts 1st line C's on wing. not taking any 2nd liners.

Who has the better chance of making and sticking from the Marlies for maybe 3rd line winger? D'Amigo, Ashton or Ross?
- Popcorn Kid

honestly... Ashton would be my bet, but I'd see him as a 4th liner/ 7th forward. Though he and D'Amigo could split time.

I think 3rd line is going to be:
Kulemin-Bollad-McClement as a shutdown line.

colborne might Center the 4th.

Ross no chance this year out of camp.

Who has the better chance of making and sticking from the Marlies for maybe 3rd line winger? D'Amigo, Ashton or Ross?
- Popcorn Kid

It'd be in that order based on merit with the Marlies over the last couple seasons. But, I'd give it to Ross. He's fits that 3rd line kindof player. But, we probably want to keep him down there and let him develop on the Marlies top 6.

You think Kadri would turn down that kind of money over 5?
- IanEsplen

kind of moot - Leafs absolutely do not have the cap space for that kind of deal. They HAVE to sign him to a low money bridge deal, or they will lose Franson.

kind of moot - Leafs absolutely do not have the cap space for that kind of deal. They HAVE to sign him to a low money bridge deal, or they will lose Franson.
- Big_Lightnin

See Patrick Wiercioch just got a 3 year, 6 mill deal?

Franson is at home just waiting for the paycheque!